The digital tip jar
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
ut it's all shite pay, really. And expecting a moving company to pay an awesome wage is a little ridiculous. So the tips are under-the-table income.
When Americans travel to parts of Asia, and discover they need to bribe everybody to get anything done, they often turn their noses up at the rampant corruption.
This is essentially what you're doing here, too. Except government employees and the police don't take "tips" in the US, at least officially.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
ut it's all shite pay, really. And expecting a moving company to pay an awesome wage is a little ridiculous. So the tips are under-the-table income.
When Americans travel to parts of Asia, and discover they need to bribe everybody to get anything done, they often turn their noses up at the rampant corruption.
This is essentially what you're doing here, too. Except government employees and the police don't take tips in the US.
And you still get your stuff delivered, even if you're a bit of a tightwad.
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I know we have discussed this a few times, but I just see why there are tips. Other countries do with out them - just pay the people a wage that would include tip money.
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
And in reality, almost every worker is in the service industry.
Maybe @George-K @Jolly @bachophile should have a tip jar as you enter the surgery room. They are all providing a service.
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I know we have discussed this a few times, but I just see why there are tips. Other countries do with out them - just pay the people a wage that would include tip money.
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
And in reality, almost every worker is in the service industry.
Maybe @George-K @Jolly @bachophile should have a tip jar as you enter the surgery room. They are all providing a service.
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
Please love yourself.
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Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Please love yourself.
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@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, so if there's anyone least qualified to discuss this matter, it's definitely you.
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@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, so if there's anyone least qualified to discuss this matter, it's definitely you.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, ...
If the others' desires are to not have to deal with tipping at all, what then?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, ...
If the others' desires are to not have to deal with tipping at all, what then?
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, ...
If the others' desires are to not have to deal with tipping at all, what then?
If you don't like tipping Ax, there's nothing preventing you from starting your own restaurant and forming your own tipping rules.
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@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
If you aren't sure what to do, ask the worker if the store has a suggested tip amount.
If there was little or no service, I suggest zero.
Getting an ice cream cone at the ice cream shop is not a place for a tip.
Our local ice cream shop does show us the spin-around screen tip option, I hit the skip button.
@Copper said in The digital tip jar:
@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
If you aren't sure what to do, ask the worker if the store has a suggested tip amount.
If there was little or no service, I suggest zero.
Getting an ice cream cone at the ice cream shop is not a place for a tip.
Our local ice cream shop does show us the spin-around screen tip option, I hit the skip button.
I'm with you.
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Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
I once got a blowjob between the soup and the main course.
He was surprisingly good at it for such a burly man.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
I once got a blowjob between the soup and the main course.
He was surprisingly good at it for such a burly man.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
I once got a blowjob between the soup and the main course.
He was surprisingly good at it for such a burly man.
See, you get it then! Can't get that kinda shit at your local Denny's!
(Actually that's precisely where you get that kinda shit. That and food poisoning.)
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I hate the whole tipping thing.
Today, I picked up my dry cleaning, and saw a tip jar. I reached into my wallet and pulled out a couple of bucks, dropped it into the basket, then realised I'd given them a $10 by mistake, and had to take it out, hopefully without looking as though I'd just stolen $10. Very embarrassing.
It would be a lot easier if people just got paid decently, and we didn't have to worry about this shit.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
Link to videoI hate the whole tipping thing.
Today, I picked up my dry cleaning, and saw a tip jar. I reached into my wallet and pulled out a couple of bucks, dropped it into the basket, then realised I'd given them a $10 by mistake, and had to take it out, hopefully without looking as though I'd just stolen $10. Very embarrassing.
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Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Best? At a high end sports bar/restaurant in Orlando. Waitress brought me out the most disturbing looking ribs I have ever seen. As I tried to cut into them it was pure fat and gristle. Before I could even flag the waitress down she brings me over a steak and says, I hope you donāt mind but those ribs looked just wrong. I grabbed you a steak and we took the ribs off the bill. The steak is on the house.
Whatās the percentage of a $30 tip on a $0 bill?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Best? At a high end sports bar/restaurant in Orlando. Waitress brought me out the most disturbing looking ribs I have ever seen. As I tried to cut into them it was pure fat and gristle. Before I could even flag the waitress down she brings me over a steak and says, I hope you donāt mind but those ribs looked just wrong. I grabbed you a steak and we took the ribs off the bill. The steak is on the house.
Whatās the percentage of a $30 tip on a $0 bill?
@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Best? At a high end sports bar/restaurant in Orlando. Waitress brought me out the most disturbing looking ribs I have ever seen. As I tried to cut into them it was pure fat and gristle. Before I could even flag the waitress down she brings me over a steak and says, I hope you donāt mind but those ribs looked just wrong. I grabbed you a steak and we took the ribs off the bill. The steak is on the house.
Whatās the percentage of a $30 tip on a $0 bill?
What's the menu price of the ribs that you ordered originally? What's the menu price of the replacement steak?
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Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Yes. I love to leave large tips. It means I got what I came for - a great experience. A good server makes sure that happens.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Yes. I love to leave large tips. It means I got what I came for - a great experience. A good server makes sure that happens.
@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Yes. I love to leave large tips. It means I got what I came for - a great experience. A good server makes sure that happens.
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I personally enjoy tipping, too, but itās gotten weird.
When we went to Universal Orlando, we were told there was no topping at any of the concessions except beer and wine.
I love tipping a bartender. I donāt run a tab for the first drink, instead paying upfront with a nice cash tip. Then I open a tab if necessary. I tip for prompt service and perhaps good conversationā¦ At least being made to feel comfortable and welcome.
So at Universal, these arenāt bars. You stand in a queue, order your drink, they dispense from the tap, and you pay and get out of the way. Why am I tipping that service if Iām not tipping the guy pouring the soda? Itās the same serviceā¦
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@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
I guess we will agree to disagree.
I take my car or bike to the shop to be fixed? Should I tip the guy?
I go to the dentist and he does a good job cleaning my teeth? Should I tip him?
I am standing in long line at the grocery store with only a few items. A worker motions me to come over to a empty cash machine and opens it up so I can check out faster. Should I tip her?
I take some reports down to the mail room to get copies made and put into a nice binder for distribution. They are super busy, but when I ask them to rush this one through, they do. Should I tip them?
etc
My point is that almost every job can be considered a service job. Why single out waitresses, bartender, etc?
I believe most people tip pretty much the same, regardless of service. And in the US, the expected %tip is seeming to slow increase. 15% seems to have increased to 20%
And I really dont think that tipping drives good service. Good waitresses are good waitresses. If tipping really changed behavior, then over time, there would be no bad waitresses. Only extradordinary ones.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
I guess we will agree to disagree.
I take my car or bike to the shop to be fixed? Should I tip the guy?
I go to the dentist and he does a good job cleaning my teeth? Should I tip him?
I am standing in long line at the grocery store with only a few items. A worker motions me to come over to a empty cash machine and opens it up so I can check out faster. Should I tip her?
I take some reports down to the mail room to get copies made and put into a nice binder for distribution. They are super busy, but when I ask them to rush this one through, they do. Should I tip them?
etc
My point is that almost every job can be considered a service job. Why single out waitresses, bartender, etc?
I believe most people tip pretty much the same, regardless of service. And in the US, the expected %tip is seeming to slow increase. 15% seems to have increased to 20%
And I really dont think that tipping drives good service. Good waitresses are good waitresses. If tipping really changed behavior, then over time, there would be no bad waitresses. Only extradordinary ones.
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
I guess we will agree to disagree.
I take my car or bike to the shop to be fixed? Should I tip the guy?
That's not the same service.
I go to the dentist and he does a good job cleaning my teeth? Should I tip him?
That's not the same service.
I am standing in long line at the grocery store with only a few items. A worker motions me to come over to a empty cash machine and opens it up so I can check out faster. Should I tip her?
That's not the same service.
I take some reports down to the mail room to get copies made and put into a nice binder for distribution. They are super busy, but when I ask them to rush this one through, they do. Should I tip them?
Can you really not tell the difference between a restaurant experience and a grocery store experience?
I believe most people tip pretty much the same, regardless of service.
That's the best proof provided yet that you're talking about things you don't understand. You couldn't possibly be more wrong about that.
How many tips have you ever received that you're basing this on? I've received about 10k.
