The digital tip jar
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@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
TG would have you believe that you would have had just as great service if the server made minimum wage and tipping became illegal. Like at McDonald's.
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@Rainman said in The digital tip jar:
And she's entitled to her opinion.
Well sure, absolutely. We're all free to express ideas and share opinions, no matter how presumptive or misinformed. Look at RFK Jr.
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I'd like to see this forum attract new members, especially those that play piano or another instrument, and don't want anyone to feel like it's too uncomfortable or mean-spirited personal around here.
Personally, I tip like Mik because in part I worked as a busboy years ago, and tips doled down to me by some of the waiters made a huge difference. But TG has a different experience from a different culture, and we all love her dearly even though she's cheap (just a joke TG!) -
@Rainman said in The digital tip jar:
Personally, I tip like Mik because in part I worked as a busboy years ago, and tips doled down to me by some of the waiters made a huge difference. But TG has a different experience from a different culture, and we all love her dearly even though she's cheap (just a joke TG!)
You're not seeing the difference.
I've never once tried to convince Phibes, TG, Klaus or anyone else that what they do where they live is wrong, broken, or anything else. I'd never advocate that tipping should be adopted and mandatory in the UK, Germany, or anywhere else. I'm fine with how they do things.
TG isn't preaching "to each their own." According to her, in this very thread, “there is something wrong with the system in the US.” That sounds tolerant and accepting to you? We have someone who admittedly has never done the very thing she's suggesting we should completely abolish because she doesn't like it. Fuck that. I may have an abrasive conversational style but I'm not the one placing value judgments on other countries here.
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@Rainman said in The digital tip jar:
I'd like to see this forum attract new members, especially those that play piano or another instrument, and don't want anyone to feel like it's too uncomfortable or mean-spirited personal around here.
Or we could post whatever we feel like and let the chips fall where they may, in terms of unicorn new posters who will shit out pure rainbows for us.
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@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
Went to Benihanas for a welcome back dinner for Karla. Food bill was $180, but Luke gets a 50% discount as a server. So $90 plus a $30 bar tab (2 beers for me and a Sake for Karla). I tipped the server $60. That’s a 50% tip. I win! :p…
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Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
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@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in The digital tip jar:
@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
I make up for 89 by buying a meal and then doing a runner. I bring balance, which is important
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Horace said in The digital tip jar:
@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
I make up for 89 by buying a meal and then doing a runner. I bring balance, which is important
Both sides are equal, IMO.
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@Horace said in The digital tip jar:
I tip 80% on the first $10 of the bill, if the bill is $100 or more. Not to brag. Which is to say, I tip 160% on the first $5. Not to brag. I leave these tips with great humility, in the hopes I can change the life of the lowly server.
Reparations. Sort of.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
Went to Benihanas for a welcome back dinner for Karla. Food bill was $180, but Luke gets a 50% discount as a server. So $90 plus a $30 bar tab (2 beers for me and a Sake for Karla). I tipped the server $60. That’s a 50% tip. I win! :p…
If you weren't a cheap bastard you'd have taken them to place where you didn't get a discount. Think of the things you are depriving the poor owner of. Privileged indeed.
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I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA). -
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I am running at windmills again. 555 Maybe at some point, i will change my profile picture.
Tipped work (some lucrative, lots not) has been a part of our economy for more than 150 years, and ending it could massively shift how Chicagoans pay for services, run businesses and earn a living.
On Wednesday, the City Council Committee on Workforce Development is expected to introduce and advance a proposal to phase out the minimum wage for tipped workers (currently $9.48 an hour) over five years.
Under the plan, businesses would be required to increase tipped workers' wages by 8% annually until they're paid the same minimum wage as other employees in the city ($15.80).
Of note: Workers could still accept additional tips.
Catch up fast: The proposed ordinance was recently revised in a deal hammered out between Mayor Brandon Johnson, alders and the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA).Every legitimate study done in this area supports the conclusion that tipping provides a direct financial incentive for servers to provide better service.
Here's a meta analysis:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053535700000627
In conclusion, the results of this meta-analysis support the idea that restaurant patrons reward better service with larger tips. This suggests that equity motivations operate in commercial as well as social exchanges.
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Cornell published a study on this about 8 years ago, with recommendations. What they found was that:
- Tipping led to better customer experiences in sit-down restaurants in every test they conducted.
- The comfort level of the customers and the monetary benefit provided to the server was maximized when tips were decided upon by the customer and not baked into the price of the meal.
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Actually, from the first article you reference
These findings suggest that tippers are concerned about equitable economic relationships with servers, but that equity effects may be too weak for tip size to serve as a valid measure of server performance or for tipping to serve as an effective incentive for delivering good service.
LIke everything, for every one study that says one side, there is a study like from the Journal of Economic Perspectives that says:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/26913191.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3Adcf2fd2a2bdbabaf60cefc80251bebc4&ab_segments=&origin=&initiator=&acceptTC=1
>when considering the relationship between between service quality and tips directly, the sensitivity of service quality to tips seems to be low. In a meta- analysis, Lynn and McCall (2000) found a statistically significant and positive relationship between tips and service evaluations, but the effect of service on tips was small and accounted for less than 2 percent of the variability in tip percentage.>Several similar studies since that review have also found that the sensitivity of tips to service quality is positive, but modest.
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001088040304400519
Restaurant managers correctly believe that good tips discourage server turnover, but managers might not know the best ways to boost tips—because improving service quality doesn't necessarily do it.
As I mentioned above, this is definitely a subject where we probably have to agree to disagree. LOL I am sure that part of my perspective is my background coming from outside the US, where it is generally a "no-tipping" culture, and IMO, the service is not any better (or worse) than in the US.
