The digital tip jar
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Why it's better for everybody who isn't a cretin or socially inept.
Have you been reading Dale Carnegie's book again?
No, I just know the job. And I already said several times that tipping doesn't work everywhere in every circumstance.@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
And I already said several times that tipping doesn't work everywhere in every circumstance.
In between all the ranting, obviously
I hesitate to set you off again, but I kind of feel like the tipping in the US has got a bit out of hand. When I visited the UK last month it was quite nice knowing the bar people weren't expecting me to pay half their rent after a round of drinks. And to be honest, the overall experience in a British pub is quite a lot better than it is over here. There's a lot less fucking around. You go up, you buy a drink, you drink you drink your drink, you give them 50p, you get another drink, and so on.
Still, each to their own. I certainly wouldn't want to break a system that almost works.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
And I already said several times that tipping doesn't work everywhere in every circumstance.
In between all the ranting, obviously
I hesitate to set you off again, but I kind of feel like the tipping in the US has got a bit out of hand. When I visited the UK last month it was quite nice knowing the bar people weren't expecting me to pay half their rent after a round of drinks. And to be honest, the overall experience in a British pub is quite a lot better than it is over here. There's a lot less fucking around. You go up, you buy a drink, you drink you drink your drink, you give them 50p, you get another drink, and so on.
Still, each to their own. I certainly wouldn't want to break a system that almost works.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
And I already said several times that tipping doesn't work everywhere in every circumstance.
In between all the ranting, obviously
I hesitate to set you off again, but I kind of feel like the tipping in the US has got a bit out of hand.
No, it has. But you're blaming the wrong thing.
If you're like basically everyone else out there, you've transitioned some time in the past 30 years and you started using a plastic card to pay for almost everything.
Those plastic cards can't be swiped through carbon paper anymore. The transactions need to go through as quickly as possible.
It's not like restaurant owners, cafes and grocery stores are also in the business of creating flatscreen tablets and bank transactional software. They buy setups from other companies like Square so that they can easily take the form of payment their customers now prefer. Those setups come with tipping screens as part of the software.
The vast majority of the tipping shenanigans you old folks are complaining about wasn't instigated by anybody at the business you're wagging your finger at. All they did was buy a freaking tablet to run credit card orders.
When I visited the UK last month it was quite nice knowing the bar people weren't expecting me to pay half their rent after a round of drinks. And to be honest, the overall experience in a British pub is quite a lot better than it is over here. There's a lot less fucking around. You go up, you buy a drink, you drink you drink your drink, you give them 50p, you get another drink, and so on.
Have fun with that line when it gets busy. One guess as to why I don't have one.
Still, each to their own. I certainly wouldn't want to break a system that almost works.
You're going to have an uphill battle if your starting position is, "see at British restaurants it's better because—"
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
And I already said several times that tipping doesn't work everywhere in every circumstance.
In between all the ranting, obviously
I hesitate to set you off again, but I kind of feel like the tipping in the US has got a bit out of hand.
No, it has. But you're blaming the wrong thing.
If you're like basically everyone else out there, you've transitioned some time in the past 30 years and you started using a plastic card to pay for almost everything.
Those plastic cards can't be swiped through carbon paper anymore. The transactions need to go through as quickly as possible.
It's not like restaurant owners, cafes and grocery stores are also in the business of creating flatscreen tablets and bank transactional software. They buy setups from other companies like Square so that they can easily take the form of payment their customers now prefer. Those setups come with tipping screens as part of the software.
The vast majority of the tipping shenanigans you old folks are complaining about wasn't instigated by anybody at the business you're wagging your finger at. All they did was buy a freaking tablet to run credit card orders.
When I visited the UK last month it was quite nice knowing the bar people weren't expecting me to pay half their rent after a round of drinks. And to be honest, the overall experience in a British pub is quite a lot better than it is over here. There's a lot less fucking around. You go up, you buy a drink, you drink you drink your drink, you give them 50p, you get another drink, and so on.
Have fun with that line when it gets busy. One guess as to why I don't have one.
Still, each to their own. I certainly wouldn't want to break a system that almost works.
You're going to have an uphill battle if your starting position is, "see at British restaurants it's better because—"
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
You're going to have an uphill battle if your starting position is, "see at British restaurants it's better because—"
I wasn't talking about restaurants. However, I'd argue that based on personal experience both Italian and French restaurants are considerably better than American ones, which are much more similar to British ones than you might like to admit.
Have you ever been to a British pub?
And I don't mean a pub that sells beer in a former British colony.
I'm not complaining about the mechanics of tipping. I'm complaining about the expectation of having to pay 20% and more for a round of drinks. It's a bit much.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
You're going to have an uphill battle if your starting position is, "see at British restaurants it's better because—"
I wasn't talking about restaurants. However, I'd argue that based on personal experience both Italian and French restaurants are considerably better than American ones, which are much more similar to British ones than you might like to admit.
Have you ever been to a British pub?
And I don't mean a pub that sells beer in a former British colony.
I'm not complaining about the mechanics of tipping. I'm complaining about the expectation of having to pay 20% and more for a round of drinks. It's a bit much.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Have you ever been to a British pub?
Yes, I have. Mind you, it was London, but I went to a few and they were fine for what they were, but on the whole I find it surprising anyone would actually boast about them. Scotland's were better in my opinion, if for no other reason than the stuffed shirt douchebag saturation level was lower.I'm complaining about the expectation of having to pay 20% and more for a round of drinks. It's a bit much.
I find it no coincidence whatsoever that you're also from one of the most socially conservative and reserved developed countries in the world.
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I think you went to the wrong pubs. At the last one I went to there were two lesbians making out at the next table
Admittedly, we left in disgust - they were charging 6 pounds a pint!
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Kind of irony that this article came across me this evening. LOL
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As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
TG would have you believe that you would have had just as great service if the server made minimum wage and tipping became illegal. Like at McDonald's.
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@Rainman said in The digital tip jar:
And she's entitled to her opinion.
Well sure, absolutely. We're all free to express ideas and share opinions, no matter how presumptive or misinformed. Look at RFK Jr.
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I'd like to see this forum attract new members, especially those that play piano or another instrument, and don't want anyone to feel like it's too uncomfortable or mean-spirited personal around here.
Personally, I tip like Mik because in part I worked as a busboy years ago, and tips doled down to me by some of the waiters made a huge difference. But TG has a different experience from a different culture, and we all love her dearly even though she's cheap (just a joke TG!) -
@Rainman said in The digital tip jar:
Personally, I tip like Mik because in part I worked as a busboy years ago, and tips doled down to me by some of the waiters made a huge difference. But TG has a different experience from a different culture, and we all love her dearly even though she's cheap (just a joke TG!)
You're not seeing the difference.
I've never once tried to convince Phibes, TG, Klaus or anyone else that what they do where they live is wrong, broken, or anything else. I'd never advocate that tipping should be adopted and mandatory in the UK, Germany, or anywhere else. I'm fine with how they do things.
TG isn't preaching "to each their own." According to her, in this very thread, “there is something wrong with the system in the US.” That sounds tolerant and accepting to you? We have someone who admittedly has never done the very thing she's suggesting we should completely abolish because she doesn't like it. Fuck that. I may have an abrasive conversational style but I'm not the one placing value judgments on other countries here.
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I'd like to see this forum attract new members, especially those that play piano or another instrument, and don't want anyone to feel like it's too uncomfortable or mean-spirited personal around here.
Personally, I tip like Mik because in part I worked as a busboy years ago, and tips doled down to me by some of the waiters made a huge difference. But TG has a different experience from a different culture, and we all love her dearly even though she's cheap (just a joke TG!)@Rainman said in The digital tip jar:
I'd like to see this forum attract new members, especially those that play piano or another instrument, and don't want anyone to feel like it's too uncomfortable or mean-spirited personal around here.
Or we could post whatever we feel like and let the chips fall where they may, in terms of unicorn new posters who will shit out pure rainbows for us.
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As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
As I've said before, I love to tip generously because it means I had a great experience. Gave nearly 40% yesterday. Great food, great server, great experience.
Went to Benihanas for a welcome back dinner for Karla. Food bill was $180, but Luke gets a 50% discount as a server. So $90 plus a $30 bar tab (2 beers for me and a Sake for Karla). I tipped the server $60. That’s a 50% tip. I win! :p…
The Brad
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I tip 80% on the first $10 of the bill, if the bill is $100 or more. Not to brag. Which is to say, I tip 160% on the first $5. Not to brag. I leave these tips with great humility, in the hopes I can change the life of the lowly server.
Education is extremely important.
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Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
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Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
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@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
@Horace said in The digital tip jar:
@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
I make up for 89 by buying a meal and then doing a runner. I bring balance, which is important
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@Horace said in The digital tip jar:
@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
I make up for 89 by buying a meal and then doing a runner. I bring balance, which is important
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Horace said in The digital tip jar:
@89th said in The digital tip jar:
Horace, waiting for a bill is selfish. It implies you got received a good or service in return. Personally, not to brag, I just go into restaurants and hand them cash and then I leave. I don't even let them hold the door for me. Although I guess one could argue I am benefiting from their air conditioning and lighting when I'm inside the building. Next I'll just throw cash at doorways while I walk by. Then I shall achieve a perfect cultural rating from my TNCR peers.
It's humbling to be in the presence of this level of virtue.
I make up for 89 by buying a meal and then doing a runner. I bring balance, which is important
Both sides are equal, IMO.
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I tip 80% on the first $10 of the bill, if the bill is $100 or more. Not to brag. Which is to say, I tip 160% on the first $5. Not to brag. I leave these tips with great humility, in the hopes I can change the life of the lowly server.
@Horace said in The digital tip jar:
I tip 80% on the first $10 of the bill, if the bill is $100 or more. Not to brag. Which is to say, I tip 160% on the first $5. Not to brag. I leave these tips with great humility, in the hopes I can change the life of the lowly server.
Reparations. Sort of.
