ChatGPT
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Chat GPT:
Look 'em up if you don't know what they [Chegg] do.
Years ago, I bought a mobile phone app by some German developer called "Math 42," an easy to use, no fuzz app that, you type in a math problem in the form of an equation, it shows you the steps to get to the solution(s). Not as powerful as, say, established desktop applications like Maple or Mathematica, but good enough for many K-12 math problems. I was quite happy with "Math 42."
Then Chegg bought out "Math 42," and soon the app became unusable. All of a sudden you're required to "create an account" with Chegg and has to "login" to use the app. First I gave it the benefit of the doubt and tried to create an account, etc. The backend system never worked, I could never successfully "login," and "Math 42" became completely unusable to me. I have since deleted it from my devices and I have been pessimistic about Chegg ever since.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Chat GPT:
Look 'em up if you don't know what they [Chegg] do.
Years ago, I bought a mobile phone app by some German developer called "Math 42," an easy to use, no fuzz app that, you type in a math problem in the form of an equation, it shows you the steps to get to the solution(s). Not as powerful as, say, established desktop applications like Maple or Mathematica, but good enough for many K-12 math problems. I was quite happy with "Math 42."
Then Chegg bought out "Math 42," and soon the app became unusable. All of a sudden you're required to "create an account" with Chegg and has to "login" to use the app. First I gave it the benefit of the doubt and tried to create an account, etc. The backend system never worked, I could never successfully "login," and "Math 42" became completely unusable to me. I have since deleted it from my devices and I have been pessimistic about Chegg ever since.
No reason to be pessimistic, they won't be around much longer.
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Do not trust ChatGPT
Some college prof. tried to use ChatGPT to "detect" whether students' papers were written with ChatGPT and found many false positives, delaying many graduating students from properly receiving their diplomas.
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Federal judge: No AI in my courtroom unless a human verifies its accuracy
Judge wary of AI "hallucinations," says it isn't acceptable for legal briefing.For now, I think it’s a good rule.
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WPP agrees deal with US tech giant Nvidia as FTSE 100 ad group plots artificial intelligence-created content
WPP owns MediaCom, Mindshare, Grey Group and Ogilvy to name a few.
I noticed they didn't really touch on whether the NVIDIA partnership would, you know, make better content. Nope, speed's the name of the game. -
More "ChatGPT took my job" stories:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/02/ai-taking-jobs/
Copywriters aside, it cites a Goldman Sachs analysis that says the lawyers (legal profession more generally?) will be hit hard.
And there is this gem:
Experts say that even advanced AI doesn’t match the writing skills of a human: It lacks personal voice and style, and it often churns out wrong, nonsensical or biased answers. But for many companies, the cost-cutting is worth a drop in quality.
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@taiwan_girl said in Chat GPT:
AI is definitely going to have an impact on certain job positions. I think in history, this has always happened when new technology occurs.
I remember reading an article about the pretty sudden decrease in the number of blacksmiths/horseshoe people as the automobiles increased and the need for their services was no longer needed.
With AI, it is like the box that is opened and impossible to shut again.
We have to adapt.
Maybe not a perfect example, but when was the last time you had an iceman (or milkman) come to the house?
Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen. And it's simply a matter of adapting over the weekend.
Speaking of jobs, have you ever considered a career in job coaching?
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I remember during freshman year of college a professor gave me a C for a paper that otherwise was an A because she suspected another student and I worked together to write the same paper. It was 100% untrue, I had no idea who the other person was, but apparently our paper and key points within were too similar. I was very annoyed that I had no other recourse other than accept the C because of the false accusation by the professor. I'd imagine that's what false positive ChatGPT reactions feel like.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:
Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen.
If you were a milkman you'd probably think they were less important.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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I remember during freshman year of college a professor gave me a C for a paper that otherwise was an A because she suspected another student and I worked together to write the same paper. It was 100% untrue, I had no idea who the other person was, but apparently our paper and key points within were too similar. I was very annoyed that I had no other recourse other than accept the C because of the false accusation by the professor. I'd imagine that's what false positive ChatGPT reactions feel like.
Grade inflation being what it is, I bet professors no longer bother to care about cheating. They are in the business of rubber stamping As, and probably welcome a likely-fraudulent paper that at least, if the content were not plagiarized, deserves an A.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:
@Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:
Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen.
If you were a milkman you'd probably think they were less important.
If you're talking professions, yeah, probably I would. If you're talking their employment then no, I probably wouldn't. I was in middle school when the Bausch + Lomb plant got shut down in my home town. It was a serious enough event that there was a request to pray for the families affected in my Social Studies class. (And yeah, I went to public school, so, just imagine that today.) In high school, my mom lost her job. We didn't exactly live in a metropolis, so she was lucky to find work in another department. It was iffy how it was going to go.
For my part, I've seen several ugly layoffs. Everything from real weird shit to the commonplace crying over your crated belongings. It's never not fucked up.
Lawyers can be nasty bastards and there are plenty of other professions that are fun to make fun of. But I don't care if you're a gas lamplighter or a "horseshoe person"—by the way, they're called farriers—losing your job before you're ready can be a very heavy thing to deal with.
You've mentioned before that similar shifts have happened in other professions and no one seemed to care very much, because of the kinds of work and kinds of people affected. I think that's fucked up, too.
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Losing one's job has similar emotional impact to losing one's marriage.
Anyway it's not clear that when AI reaches superhuman intelligence, there'll be much left for humans to do. This is not an evolution of technology that leaves people without jobs, it's an evolution in the ability of robots to replace humans in nearly every definable, marketable skill. Nothing rushes in to fill that gap, in what people are needed for on the job market.
Education is extremely important.
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Losing one's job has similar emotional impact to losing one's marriage.
Anyway it's not clear that when AI reaches superhuman intelligence, there'll be much left for humans to do. This is not an evolution of technology that leaves people without jobs, it's an evolution in the ability of robots to replace humans in nearly every definable, marketable skill. Nothing rushes in to fill that gap, in what people are needed for on the job market.
Well, that's phase 2. And we have some time yet on that I think. Not a whole lot, but probably some.
I'm not worried about phase 2 because it's going to upend so much that there's literally nothing to do to prepare for it. No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.
I'm still working on phase 1, which is a situation in which I might have to make a radical career change because there's still a concept and expectation of having a "career."
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To be honest, I don't understand AI well enough, if at all, to be able to judge how terrifying this is, but plenty of people seem to be plenty worried. I'm not completely convinced there isn't a degree of unnecessary panic at the moment.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:
plenty of people seem to be plenty worried
These are the same people who were worried about automobiles, covid vaccine and assault weapons.
Relax
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@Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:
To be honest, I don't understand AI well enough, if at all, to be able to judge how terrifying this is, but plenty of people seem to be plenty worried. I'm not completely convinced there isn't a degree of unnecessary panic at the moment.
Did you read the WaPo article? There are people out of work right now because of it.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:
@Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:
To be honest, I don't understand AI well enough, if at all, to be able to judge how terrifying this is, but plenty of people seem to be plenty worried. I'm not completely convinced there isn't a degree of unnecessary panic at the moment.
Did you read the WaPo article?
Yeah, I've seen a few like this. And I feel that journalists may be writing like this partly because they're in the line of fire. I still don't really understand how it's all going to work.
Remember how Y2K was going to end western civilization?
And no, I'm not saying this is a lot of fuss over nothing, I just don't feel like I have a good handle on what's actually going to happen, and I'm not sure I believe anybody who says they do.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:
I still don't really understand how it's all going to work.
Here, let me break it down for you:
The offer on the table right now—as in, you can choose this today—is, "good to great work that can't scale, takes time, costs money, and involves collaborating with people who sometimes tell you no" versus "mediocre on a good day, but you get it right now, for free, you can get more of it, and no one can tell you no."
Some companies are taking option B and laying off their writers in droves. Others are taking a middle road: training their writers on ChatGPT so they can get more done but have no loss in quality. Still others are saying no way, we're not touching any of that technology.
The uncertainty lies in how many companies are going to choose which of these options. That'll determine how bad it is from an overall writer joblessness standpoint.
So, sure, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. But the reality is, some people are losing their jobs. Right now. With others on the way. It's bad, but no one knows how bad it'll get.
Please love yourself.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:
So, sure, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. But the reality is, some people are losing their jobs. Right now. With others on the way. It's bad, but no one knows how bad it'll get.
Yes, I understand that people are losing their jobs, and I understand that this really isn't good. But I still don't understand how it's all going to work out in the medium to long-term. Technology frequently surprises people, even the experts. Bill Gates' book 'The Road Ahead' famously almost completely overlooked the importance of the internet, which was arguably the single most important innovation since the printing press - certainly in the top 5.
I appreciate that these are really scary times, but I'm still left wondering. You're focusing on writers, for obvious reasons, but there are a ton of other jobs this could affect in ways we probably haven't even realised, sometimes for the bad, but most likely also for the good.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:
@Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:
So, sure, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. But the reality is, some people are losing their jobs. Right now. With others on the way. It's bad, but no one knows how bad it'll get.
Yes, I understand that people are losing their jobs, and I understand that this really isn't good. But I still don't understand how it's all going to work out in the medium to long-term. Technology frequently surprises people, even the experts. Bill Gates' book 'The Road Ahead' famously almost completely overlooked the importance of the internet, which was arguably the single most important innovation since the printing press - certainly in the top 5.
I appreciate that these are really scary times, but I'm still left wondering. You're focusing on writers, for obvious reasons, but there are a ton of other jobs this could affect in ways we probably haven't even realised, sometimes for the bad, but most likely also for the good.
Yeah, I agree with all that. Even the focus on writers—I'm only doing so now because that's what we happen to be talking about, but it affects a lot of industries. And no one knows where we go next. This is nothing like the automobile or the internet.
If I was betting, I'd say we'll probably end up in some kind of universal lateral move. But the devil's in the details and its individual consequences.
