Twitter suspends journalists...
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Right and I clarified that to mean, and I quote, “arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing”.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
Right and I clarified that to mean, and I quote, “arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing”.
In a binary judgement where moderation processes do or do not contain some amount of arbitrariness or capriciousness, I agree that the previous regime and the current regime are equal. That will remain a trivially true point forever regardless of what Musk does.
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That’s weak.
Imagine someone defending the ancien regime by saying “everybody’s biases affect their decision making so on that simple binary, new Twitter and old Twitter are the same.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
That’s weak.
Imagine someone defending the ancien regime by saying “everybody’s biases affect their decision making so on that simple binary, new Twitter and old Twitter are the same.
I’m not sure you understood my point. I am saying that there are facile and trivially true ways to claim equality between the old and new regime. I am claiming that your equality is such a facile and trivial one. There are others, one of which you just presented. It argues against nothing I said.
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I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
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I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
@Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
I should note that I do disagree with the label of arbitrary in this case, as a defined policy with rationale clearly laid out is not arbitrary by definition. Capricious sure, inasmuch as it’s a change.
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@Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
I don’t think you understood my point. Sometime when tribal people see a member of the ingroup being criticized they deflect it by saying “every body does it”.
Less tribal people, like Weiss and Rufo, are intellectually honest enough to give the criticism where it’s due.
Nobody has disagreed with their criticism nor with the labels of capricious or arbitrary per se. Where I disagreed was with your both sides are sameism. You are correct that both sides are sameisms are often tribally motivated.
I should note that I do disagree with the label of arbitrary in this case, as a defined policy with rationale clearly laid out is not arbitrary by definition. Capricious sure, inasmuch as it’s a change.
@Horace it’s unclear to me whether he announced the new rule before he banned people who were following the rule that was in place until last night. It seems to have been at about the same time.
Just last month he actually pointed to the guy with the plane account being allowed on Twitter as evidence of his commitment to free speech.
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Last night he told 121MM people that anyone can track his plane’s whereabouts in real time using public information.
I wonder how many of those 121MM didn’t know that before he told them? Vast majority I assume.
How many stories are being written up about it right now?
Some of us remember the story from a year ago when he tried to pay the kid to stop publicizing it.
Had he not done either of those things, how many people would know about it?
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Yeah, it's pretty clear he's all over the place and making things up as he goes along.
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Nobody appears dead set that doxxing should be fair play on Twitter. If anybody wants to take pot shots at Musk for going back and forth on this, they can. Personally I start caring when it's clear there are concealed ulterior motives. I'm fine with false starts and backtracks as the rules are ironed out, and I'm even fine with disagreeing with the rules.
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The old regime at Twitter governed by its own whims and biases and it sure looks like the new regime has the same problem.
I'm not that familiar with all the rules, but didn't the old regime keep this stuff secret, and didn't they lie to keep it secret?
Mr. Musk seems to be delivering on his prediction that he would make mistakes.
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@George-K said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
They weren't moderated for reporting on an important story. I fail to see Weiss' point, unless the class of people "reporting on important stories" are to be considered unbannable for any reason. Which would be stupid.
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Matt Binder claims otherwise.
“I was banned on Thursday night immediately after sharing a screenshot from CNN’s Donie O’Sullivan moments after he was suspended,” Binder told Rolling Stone. “The screenshot was an official LAPD statement regarding the incident Elon Musk was tweeting out about last night which led him to suspending ElonJet and its creator Jack Sweeney. I did not share any location data, as per Twitter’s new terms. Nor did I share any links to ElonJet or other location tracking accounts. I have been highly critical of Musk but never broke any of Twitter’s listed policies.”
I guess we’ll get to the truth soon enough.
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Zoom out a bit.
He first said he would go by first amendment rules. If it’s not illegal it’s allowed.
Later he said he’d convene a new panel before making any decisions.
Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.
Then he said he’d moderate tweets rather than accounts.
Then he banned Kanye.
Then he said he wouldn’t ban the airplane location guy.
Then he banned the airplane location account AND the guy behind it.
And now he’s banning retweets of him.
What’s next? No one knows. Not even Elon is aware of what next week’s whims will bring.
@jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:
Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.
Well, he did run a poll about banning the journalists. It had four choices, and the vast majority said that either no ban, or a short ban.
His reply was to say that the previous poll had too many choices and he was going to rerun it. LOL
