Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader

[George K]

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“It has been one of the big, unfortunate ironies of the past several years: Many of the same individuals and institutions on the political left who spent the years 2017 through 2020 yelling about the importance of norms and institutions have themselves not hesitated to undermine our institutions when they’re unhappy with a given outcome. For example, the newly-elected incoming leader of the House Democrats is a past election denier who baselessly said the 2016 election was, ‘illegitimate’ and suggested that we had a, ‘fake’ president. He has also mounted reckless attacks on our independent judiciary and said that Justices he didn’t like have, ‘zero legitimacy.’ Unfortunately, when it comes to attacking our independent judiciary, the Democrats’ new leader isn’t an outlier, he’s a representative sample. In the last few years, we’ve seen my counterpart the Senate Democratic Leader threaten sitting Justices by name on the Supreme Court steps. We’ve seen President Biden and Attorney General Garland refuse to enforce federal law and put a stop to illegal harassment campaigns at Justices’ private family homes. And we have seen coordinated efforts by Democrats and the media to use smear campaigns to personally punish Justices whose legal reasoning they don’t like.

[Mik]

Amen.

[Horace]

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

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“It has been one of the big, unfortunate ironies of the past several years: Many of the same individuals and institutions on the political left who spent the years 2017 through 2020 yelling about the importance of norms and institutions have themselves not hesitated to undermine our institutions when they’re unhappy with a given outcome. For example, the newly-elected incoming leader of the House Democrats is a past election denier who baselessly said the 2016 election was, ‘illegitimate’ and suggested that we had a, ‘fake’ president. He has also mounted reckless attacks on our independent judiciary and said that Justices he didn’t like have, ‘zero legitimacy.’ Unfortunately, when it comes to attacking our independent judiciary, the Democrats’ new leader isn’t an outlier, he’s a representative sample. In the last few years, we’ve seen my counterpart the Senate Democratic Leader threaten sitting Justices by name on the Supreme Court steps. We’ve seen President Biden and Attorney General Garland refuse to enforce federal law and put a stop to illegal harassment campaigns at Justices’ private family homes. And we have seen coordinated efforts by Democrats and the media to use smear campaigns to personally punish Justices whose legal reasoning they don’t like.

Thankfully none of that registers on the existentialometer. We can all rest safe.

[Jolly]

For a second there I though Jon was the new Minority Leader.

[Horace]

@Jolly said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

For a second there I though Jon was the new Minority Leader.

True as a case in point, but unfortunately, as McConnell says, also the general case. The Democrats’ new leader isn’t an outlier, he’s a representative sample

[taiwan_girl]

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

“It has been one of the big, unfortunate ironies of the past several years: Many of the same individuals and institutions on the political left right who spent the years 201720 through 202022 yelling about the importance of norms and institutions have themselves not hesitated to undermine our institutions when they’re unhappy with a given outcome. For example, the newly-elected incoming leader of the House DemocratsRepublicans is a past election denier who baselessly said the 201620 election was, ‘illegitimate’ and suggested that we had a, ‘fake’ president. He has also mounted reckless attacks on our independent judiciary and said that Justices he didn’t like have, ‘zero legitimacy.

I am still surprised that people seem to think that one party or the other has the pure morality vs. the other party? What is that English saying - two sides of the same thing?

[George K]

@taiwan_girl IOW, it was totes OK to do for the 2016 election (And 2000 ("Selected not Elected!), and 2004 election - "Diebold!") but not OK for 2020.

Is that what you're really saying?

[Horace]

She’s just setting up a straw man that people who tend to prefer one side, are slavishly cartoonishly devoted to that side. And therefore irrational.

[George K]

[Doctor Phibes]

Do none of you chaps see a certain difference in degree from what was claimed in 2000, 2016, and 2020?

Or is it just me that's missing the fucking obvious, and all these three events were equivalent? 'Cos they sure didn't look that way to me.

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

a certain difference in degree

So, we're arguing about price?

Is that your point?

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

a certain difference in degree

So, we're arguing about price?

Is that your point?

Are you really trying to claim that what Hillary said in 2016 and Gore said in 2000 was similar to what Trump said in 2020?

Because it wasn't. Anybody can see that. Nothing like it.

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

a certain difference in degree

So, we're arguing about price?

Is that your point?

Are you really trying to claim that what Hillary said in 2016 and Gore said in 2000 was similar to what Trump said in 2020?

Because it wasn't. Anybody can see that. Nothing like it.

"You can have the election stolen from you." - Clinton

"He's an illegitimate president." - Harris

"'He's an illegitimate president' 'Would you be my vice-president?" - Biden

"Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016" - President Carter

"Though legally elected, not legitimate" - Nadler

"Russia's interference altered the election" - Feinstein

"I object to the 15 (electoral) votes from the State of North Carolina" - Shiela Jackson Lee

"Constantly shifting vote tallies in Ohio" - Nancy Pelosi

There are dozens more, but I won't burden you with that.

[89th]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

a certain difference in degree

So, we're arguing about price?

Is that your point?

Are you really trying to claim that what Hillary said in 2016 and Gore said in 2000 was similar to what Trump said in 2020?

Because it wasn't. Anybody can see that. Nothing like it.

Gore in 2000 was a rubber band gun

Clinton in 2016 was a BB gun

Trump in 2020 was a bazooka

All weapons, but not even remotely close to the same class of damage.

[George K]

@89th said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

Clinton in 2016 was a BB gun

Trump in 2020 was a bazooka

So you’re arguing about price as well.

All weapons, but not even remotely close to the same class of damage.

I’m not justifying what Trump said, I’m pointing out that the election denials go back a fifth of a century.

And guess who did it.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

Are you really trying to claim that what Hillary said in 2016 and Gore said in 2000 was similar to what Trump said in 2020?
Because it wasn't. Anybody can see that. Nothing like it.

Yes, it is different.

The difference was that Ms. Clinton's rants about were taken as truth, no questions asked.

Mr. Trump's rants were taken as criminal, no questions asked.

Other than that there was no real difference to their message, both ultimately conceded the election.

Of course Ms. Clinton's followers caused much more damage in post-election riots. I don't think anyone disputes that.

Even today Ms. Clinton advises democrat candidates to never, ever concede. She is heroic.

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

a certain difference in degree

So, we're arguing about price?

Is that your point?

Are you really trying to claim that what Hillary said in 2016 and Gore said in 2000 was similar to what Trump said in 2020?

Because it wasn't. Anybody can see that. Nothing like it.

"You can have the election stolen from you." - Clinton

"He's an illegitimate president." - Harris

"'He's an illegitimate president' 'Would you be my vice-president?" - Biden

"Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016" - President Carter

"Though legally elected, not legitimate" - Nadler

"Russia's interference altered the election" - Feinstein

"I object to the 15 (electoral) votes from the State of North Carolina" - Shiela Jackson Lee

"Constantly shifting vote tallies in Ohio" - Nancy Pelosi

There are dozens more, but I won't burden you with that.

So apparently you're claiming there's no difference.

You play the piano. Rachmaninoff played the piano. No difference.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Copper said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

The difference was that Ms. Clinton's rants about were taken as truth, no questions asked.

Not by me they weren't.

Trump won the election in 2016. He lost in 2020. I'm happy to acknowledge this.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@Copper said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

The difference was that Ms. Clinton's rants about were taken as truth, no questions asked.

Not by me they weren't.

Trump won the election in 2016. He lost in 2020. I'm happy to acknowledge this.

I acknowledge that too.

[89th]

@George-K said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

@89th said in Minority Leader welcomes Minority Leader:

Clinton in 2016 was a BB gun

Trump in 2020 was a bazooka

So you’re arguing about price as well.

All weapons, but not even remotely close to the same class of damage.

I’m not justifying what Trump said, I’m pointing out that the election denials go back a fifth of a century.

And guess who did it.

Bro, the 1876 election was vastly more controversial than anything we’ve seen in the 150 years since.

Yes I called you bro.