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    Jolly
    wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:11 last edited by
    #1

    https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2022/11/25/wapo-drops-hit-piece-on-cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-over-65-year-old-photo-says-hes-part-of-a-confederacy-n664078

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:27 last edited by jon-nyc
      #2

      He was just there “to watch”.

      Even assuming it’s true, do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        George K
        wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:29 last edited by
        #3

        FFS - he was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. It's not like he was in blackface or anything, or afraid of a racial jungle.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • G George K
          27 Nov 2022, 00:29

          FFS - he was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. It's not like he was in blackface or anything, or afraid of a racial jungle.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:30 last edited by
          #4

          @George-K

          But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

          That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • J jon-nyc
            27 Nov 2022, 00:30

            @George-K

            But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

            That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

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            George K
            wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:42 last edited by George K
            #5

            @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

            he was intimidating real live children

            Presumably because he associated with these asshats, at age 14 - when he was a child.

            more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

            As opposed to trying to legislate to avoid a racial jungle with real live children.

            If you accept the fact that he's a racist bully, then you have to accept the racist senator. And that wasn't 65 years ago, it was 45 years ago.

            ETA re' "upper middle class professionals": So racism is OK when it's the right audience?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • J jon-nyc
              27 Nov 2022, 00:30

              @George-K

              But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

              That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

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              Horace
              wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:45 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

              @George-K

              But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

              That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

              Do you believe that the photo indicates something negative about the character of Mr Jones?

              Education is extremely important.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:47 last edited by jon-nyc
                #7

                @George-K

                I love you buddy but your partisanship is blinding you here.

                Physically stopping black kids from entering a school in the 1950s is substantially different from opposing bussing in the 70s or wearing a politically incorrect costume in the 90s or aughts.

                To say otherwise is to say there has been no racial progress in the last 7 decades.

                That’s not to say he should be canceled (he was 14 and brought up by southerners after all) but surely some genuine contrition is in order (which I don’t doubt would be sincere).

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  27 Nov 2022, 00:47

                  @George-K

                  I love you buddy but your partisanship is blinding you here.

                  Physically stopping black kids from entering a school in the 1950s is substantially different from opposing bussing in the 70s or wearing a politically incorrect costume in the 90s or aughts.

                  To say otherwise is to say there has been no racial progress in the last 7 decades.

                  That’s not to say he should be canceled (he was 14 and brought up by southerners after all) but surely some genuine contrition is in order (which I don’t doubt would be sincere).

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                  George K
                  wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:53 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                  Physically stopping black kids from entering a school in the 1950s is substantially different

                  Show the photo where he's stopping them. He's at least 7 feet away, and he's standing there. The kid with the cigarette in his mouth is being physical. The kid, smiling behind him, might be physical. Jones, 3 rows back, in the LAST row of the group? Nah.

                  If you want to talk about intimidation, that's fine. We can talk about election interference too (Black Panthers in Philly).

                  some genuine contrition is in order

                  ...If it can be shown he did something wrong other than show up and associate with asshats.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:55 last edited by
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                    In a larger sense what pisses me off is the relentless pursuit of dragging up behaviors from half a century ago, or more, to find something to condemn someone with whom you disagree.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • H Horace
                      27 Nov 2022, 00:45

                      @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                      @George-K

                      But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

                      That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

                      Do you believe that the photo indicates something negative about the character of Mr Jones?

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 00:58 last edited by
                      #10

                      @George-K

                      I’ll repeat my first post.

                      Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • J jon-nyc
                        27 Nov 2022, 00:58

                        @George-K

                        I’ll repeat my first post.

                        Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

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                        kluurs
                        wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 01:04 last edited by kluurs
                        #11

                        @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                        @George-K

                        I’ll repeat my first post.

                        Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

                        He'd have to have been prenaturalyl woke to have recognized that his presence would appear to be condoning the behavior.

                        Similarly, every male treen pre2000 who copped a feel without a positive assent prior to the interaction could now be judged as having assaulted someone.

                        We cannot know his intent - but I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

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                        • K kluurs
                          27 Nov 2022, 01:04

                          @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                          @George-K

                          I’ll repeat my first post.

                          Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

                          He'd have to have been prenaturalyl woke to have recognized that his presence would appear to be condoning the behavior.

                          Similarly, every male treen pre2000 who copped a feel without a positive assent prior to the interaction could now be judged as having assaulted someone.

                          We cannot know his intent - but I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 01:08 last edited by
                          #12

                          @kluurs said in Hit Piece:

                          I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

                          This.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                          Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply 27 Nov 2022, 03:32
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 01:08 last edited by
                            #13

                            He wasn't active in the melee. It was something happening at his school and he was 14. And curious.

                            In 1957.

                            What a stretch of horseshit, for the people who printed it and for the dumbasses like Jon who swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 01:13 last edited by
                              #14

                              It is, of course and transparently, immoral to be joining in with the opportunistic shaming over this photo.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • G George K
                                27 Nov 2022, 01:08

                                @kluurs said in Hit Piece:

                                I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

                                This.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 03:32 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                #15

                                Half of America was racist as fuck back then. I don’t really understand the outrage, unless we’re trying to deny that half of America was racist as fuck.

                                I was only joking

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                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 15:44 last edited by
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                                  When the entire country was undergoing a personality shift regarding race, and road maps for going about it would have been ludicrous, why do we expect a 14-year-old kid to have gotten it perfect?

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 17:38 last edited by
                                    #17

                                    This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                    I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • J jon-nyc
                                      27 Nov 2022, 17:38

                                      This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                      I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 17:51 last edited by
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                                      Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                      If there was that much consensus, why send in the 101st? Seems to me a lot of people had to come around.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 18:02 last edited by
                                        #19

                                        In 50 years we will be cancelling people because they were pro-choice during the 20th century.

                                        And so we should.

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                                        • J jon-nyc
                                          27 Nov 2022, 17:38

                                          This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                          I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 18:45 last edited by Horace
                                          #20

                                          @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                                          This isn’t presentism.

                                          Lol

                                          I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                                          You can be as contrite as you want to be. So go be contrite somewhere. Maybe you can have a tea party with some elderly white progressive women where you apologize to each other for slavery and talk about your cats.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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