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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    He was just there “to watch”.

    Even assuming it’s true, do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      FFS - he was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. It's not like he was in blackface or anything, or afraid of a racial jungle.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        FFS - he was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD. It's not like he was in blackface or anything, or afraid of a racial jungle.

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        jon-nyc
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        #4

        @George-K

        But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

        That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          @George-K

          But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

          That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #5

          @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

          he was intimidating real live children

          Presumably because he associated with these asshats, at age 14 - when he was a child.

          more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

          As opposed to trying to legislate to avoid a racial jungle with real live children.

          If you accept the fact that he's a racist bully, then you have to accept the racist senator. And that wasn't 65 years ago, it was 45 years ago.

          ETA re' "upper middle class professionals": So racism is OK when it's the right audience?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @George-K

            But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

            That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

            HoraceH Online
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            Horace
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            #6

            @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

            @George-K

            But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

            That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

            Do you believe that the photo indicates something negative about the character of Mr Jones?

            Education is extremely important.

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              #7

              @George-K

              I love you buddy but your partisanship is blinding you here.

              Physically stopping black kids from entering a school in the 1950s is substantially different from opposing bussing in the 70s or wearing a politically incorrect costume in the 90s or aughts.

              To say otherwise is to say there has been no racial progress in the last 7 decades.

              That’s not to say he should be canceled (he was 14 and brought up by southerners after all) but surely some genuine contrition is in order (which I don’t doubt would be sincere).

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @George-K

                I love you buddy but your partisanship is blinding you here.

                Physically stopping black kids from entering a school in the 1950s is substantially different from opposing bussing in the 70s or wearing a politically incorrect costume in the 90s or aughts.

                To say otherwise is to say there has been no racial progress in the last 7 decades.

                That’s not to say he should be canceled (he was 14 and brought up by southerners after all) but surely some genuine contrition is in order (which I don’t doubt would be sincere).

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                George K
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                @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                Physically stopping black kids from entering a school in the 1950s is substantially different

                Show the photo where he's stopping them. He's at least 7 feet away, and he's standing there. The kid with the cigarette in his mouth is being physical. The kid, smiling behind him, might be physical. Jones, 3 rows back, in the LAST row of the group? Nah.

                If you want to talk about intimidation, that's fine. We can talk about election interference too (Black Panthers in Philly).

                some genuine contrition is in order

                ...If it can be shown he did something wrong other than show up and associate with asshats.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  In a larger sense what pisses me off is the relentless pursuit of dragging up behaviors from half a century ago, or more, to find something to condemn someone with whom you disagree.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                    @George-K

                    But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

                    That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

                    Do you believe that the photo indicates something negative about the character of Mr Jones?

                    jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    @George-K

                    I’ll repeat my first post.

                    Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @George-K

                      I’ll repeat my first post.

                      Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

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                      @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                      @George-K

                      I’ll repeat my first post.

                      Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

                      He'd have to have been prenaturalyl woke to have recognized that his presence would appear to be condoning the behavior.

                      Similarly, every male treen pre2000 who copped a feel without a positive assent prior to the interaction could now be judged as having assaulted someone.

                      We cannot know his intent - but I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

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                      • kluursK kluurs

                        @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                        @George-K

                        I’ll repeat my first post.

                        Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

                        He'd have to have been prenaturalyl woke to have recognized that his presence would appear to be condoning the behavior.

                        Similarly, every male treen pre2000 who copped a feel without a positive assent prior to the interaction could now be judged as having assaulted someone.

                        We cannot know his intent - but I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

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                        #12

                        @kluurs said in Hit Piece:

                        I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

                        This.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          He wasn't active in the melee. It was something happening at his school and he was 14. And curious.

                          In 1957.

                          What a stretch of horseshit, for the people who printed it and for the dumbasses like Jon who swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Horace
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                            It is, of course and transparently, immoral to be joining in with the opportunistic shaming over this photo.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @kluurs said in Hit Piece:

                              I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

                              This.

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                              Half of America was racist as fuck back then. I don’t really understand the outrage, unless we’re trying to deny that half of America was racist as fuck.

                              I was only joking

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                                Aqua Letifer
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                                When the entire country was undergoing a personality shift regarding race, and road maps for going about it would have been ludicrous, why do we expect a 14-year-old kid to have gotten it perfect?

                                Please love yourself.

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                                  This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                  I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                    I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                                    Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                    If there was that much consensus, why send in the 101st? Seems to me a lot of people had to come around.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      In 50 years we will be cancelling people because they were pro-choice during the 20th century.

                                      And so we should.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                        I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                                        HoraceH Online
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                                        Horace
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                                        #20

                                        @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                                        This isn’t presentism.

                                        Lol

                                        I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                                        You can be as contrite as you want to be. So go be contrite somewhere. Maybe you can have a tea party with some elderly white progressive women where you apologize to each other for slavery and talk about your cats.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                          I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                                          This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                                          I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                                          Bullshit.

                                          The whole point of the article is "Jones is racist because he won't hire a black head coach". Lemmee 'splain something Lucy...If a black coach is good enough, Jones or any other owner will give him consideration.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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