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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    In a larger sense what pisses me off is the relentless pursuit of dragging up behaviors from half a century ago, or more, to find something to condemn someone with whom you disagree.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

      @George-K

      But he was intimidating real live children on the forefront of integration efforts.

      That’s far more salient than wearing blackface at a party full of white upper middle class professionals in the 90s

      Do you believe that the photo indicates something negative about the character of Mr Jones?

      jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      @George-K

      I’ll repeat my first post.

      Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @George-K

        I’ll repeat my first post.

        Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

        kluursK Offline
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        kluurs
        wrote on last edited by kluurs
        #11

        @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

        @George-K

        I’ll repeat my first post.

        Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

        He'd have to have been prenaturalyl woke to have recognized that his presence would appear to be condoning the behavior.

        Similarly, every male treen pre2000 who copped a feel without a positive assent prior to the interaction could now be judged as having assaulted someone.

        We cannot know his intent - but I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

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        • kluursK kluurs

          @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

          @George-K

          I’ll repeat my first post.

          Even assuming it’s true [that he was just there to watch], do you think the black children were aware of the distinction? Or did his presence just make the antagonistic white crowd a little more intimidating?

          He'd have to have been prenaturalyl woke to have recognized that his presence would appear to be condoning the behavior.

          Similarly, every male treen pre2000 who copped a feel without a positive assent prior to the interaction could now be judged as having assaulted someone.

          We cannot know his intent - but I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #12

          @kluurs said in Hit Piece:

          I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

          This.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #13

            He wasn't active in the melee. It was something happening at his school and he was 14. And curious.

            In 1957.

            What a stretch of horseshit, for the people who printed it and for the dumbasses like Jon who swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              It is, of course and transparently, immoral to be joining in with the opportunistic shaming over this photo.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • George KG George K

                @kluurs said in Hit Piece:

                I generally don't want to get too excited about non-violent behavior or speech said by kids prior to the adulthood.

                This.

                Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #15

                Half of America was racist as fuck back then. I don’t really understand the outrage, unless we’re trying to deny that half of America was racist as fuck.

                I was only joking

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                • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  When the entire country was undergoing a personality shift regarding race, and road maps for going about it would have been ludicrous, why do we expect a 14-year-old kid to have gotten it perfect?

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #17

                    This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                    I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                      I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                      Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                      If there was that much consensus, why send in the 101st? Seems to me a lot of people had to come around.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        Copper
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                        #19

                        In 50 years we will be cancelling people because they were pro-choice during the 20th century.

                        And so we should.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                          I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                          HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by Horace
                          #20

                          @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                          This isn’t presentism.

                          Lol

                          I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                          You can be as contrite as you want to be. So go be contrite somewhere. Maybe you can have a tea party with some elderly white progressive women where you apologize to each other for slavery and talk about your cats.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                            I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            @jon-nyc said in Hit Piece:

                            This isn’t presentism. Most of the country and indeed the world new it was immoral at the time. Eisenhower sent the fucking 101st Airborne for fuck sake.

                            I don’t think he should be canceled but my god a little contrition would be nice.

                            Bullshit.

                            The whole point of the article is "Jones is racist because he won't hire a black head coach". Lemmee 'splain something Lucy...If a black coach is good enough, Jones or any other owner will give him consideration.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #22

                              Mr Jones is at the helm of several large organizations. Head coach of his football team is a single position of leadership among many. Would anybody care to guess whether people of color are in fact represented among that class of leaders through his organizations?

                              Education is extremely important.

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