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    Mik
    wrote on 24 Jun 2020, 14:51 last edited by
    #1

    From WSJ.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-exactly-do-you-catch-covid-19-there-is-a-growing-consensus-11592317650?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR3v9vskjsWL4NATOAigbZdbG1vy-hU2EAF3JdkHdk6gzLiVjTzARaEthXQ

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Jolly
      wrote on 24 Jun 2020, 19:40 last edited by
      #2

      Very good article.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 24 Jun 2020, 20:10 last edited by LuFins Dad
        #3

        Pretty much like I've thought over the last 2 months. We're still being extremely careful, but I've loosened up a few things... Thinking about making a day trip up to my Dad's for an outdoor visit next week. They haven't met Finley, yet. Also going to get together with some friends for the 4th. Each of us is renting our own Pontoon boat and will have a big Lake picnic while maintaining a little physical distance.

        The Brad

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          Klaus
          wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 09:48 last edited by
          #4

          It’s not common to contract Covid-19 from a contaminated surface, scientists say.

          So we can stop desinfecting and wiping off every goddamn thing twenty times per day.

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            89th
            wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 10:33 last edited by
            #5

            @LuFins-Dad That sounds like a nice plan. Both for the introduction of Finley, and the boat idea.

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            • K Klaus
              25 Jun 2020, 09:48

              It’s not common to contract Covid-19 from a contaminated surface, scientists say.

              So we can stop desinfecting and wiping off every goddamn thing twenty times per day.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 11:21 last edited by
              #6

              @Klaus said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

              It’s not common to contract Covid-19 from a contaminated surface, scientists say.

              So we can stop desinfecting and wiping off every goddamn thing twenty times per day.

              Uncommon, but still possible.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • J Jolly
                25 Jun 2020, 11:21

                @Klaus said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                It’s not common to contract Covid-19 from a contaminated surface, scientists say.

                So we can stop desinfecting and wiping off every goddamn thing twenty times per day.

                Uncommon, but still possible.

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                Klaus
                wrote on 25 Jun 2020, 13:33 last edited by
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                @Jolly it's also possible to be struck by lightning.

                What we need here is some 80/20 thinking.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 11:19 last edited by
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                  Fomites transfer droplet borne viruses.

                  Period.

                  Nothing new about that.

                  This is also a very virulent virus. The most common transmission is droplets from person to person, but lessening fomite transmission is a good thing.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:27 last edited by
                    #9

                    I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • J Jolly
                      26 Jun 2020, 11:19

                      Fomites transfer droplet borne viruses.

                      Period.

                      Nothing new about that.

                      This is also a very virulent virus. The most common transmission is droplets from person to person, but lessening fomite transmission is a good thing.

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                      Loki
                      wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 12:39 last edited by
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                      @Jolly said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                      Fomites transfer droplet borne viruses.

                      Period.

                      Nothing new about that.

                      This is also a very virulent virus. The most common transmission is droplets from person to person, but lessening fomite transmission is a good thing.

                      It’s really important to understand what is most important to pay attention to. I’ll repeat what to pay attention to is the most important decision you can make and I mean that it in the broadest context. It’s your whole life. Lol

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                      • M Mik
                        26 Jun 2020, 12:27

                        I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 14:19 last edited by
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                        @Mik said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                        I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                        Same.

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • A Aqua Letifer
                          26 Jun 2020, 14:19

                          @Mik said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                          I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                          Same.

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                          Loki
                          wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 14:22 last edited by
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                          @Aqua-Letifer said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                          @Mik said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                          I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                          Same.

                          Just curious, does some part of your brain think differently about the risk as in from this could save my life to in the abundance of caution. Where did the odds in your brain go from, to?

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                          • L Loki
                            26 Jun 2020, 14:22

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                            @Mik said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                            I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                            Same.

                            Just curious, does some part of your brain think differently about the risk as in from this could save my life to in the abundance of caution. Where did the odds in your brain go from, to?

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 14:29 last edited by
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                            @Loki said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                            @Mik said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                            I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                            Same.

                            Just curious, does some part of your brain think differently about the risk as in from this could save my life to in the abundance of caution. Where did the odds in your brain go from, to?

                            It's simple cost-benefit.

                            • If I do this and it's unnecessary, it means I will have wasted about two minutes spraying the box contents with anti-viral stuff, washing my hands, then going to pick it up from the porch.
                            • If I don't do this and it is necessary, I get infected. Best-case scenario, I'm asymptomatic and risk having ground glass abnormalities in my lungs. Or maybe I just need to go to the hospital, in which case God knows what kind of outrageous medical debt I'll have for the rest of my life, nevermind the permanent complications due to recovery. Or heck, maybe I just die a terrible death alone.

                            Wasting a couple of minutes and having Klaus call me stupid still seems like the better option.

                            Please love yourself.

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 15:16 last edited by
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                              There is science

                              Then there is noise the mob makes that sounds like science

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 15:57 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                #15

                                Everybody has their own level of comfort. I stick the mail in the sunroom for 24-48 hrs before opening it because it's really easy to do, but when we get food we put it straight in the fridge, because otherwise it will go off, and I'll get food poisoning, which wouldn't feel good. I realise the chance of catching Covid from the mail is low, but you can further reduce a small risk with a very minor action. In the unlikely event that something very urgent arrives in the mail, I'll open it immediately.

                                You don't need to overthink this. (Yes, that meant ironically)

                                I was only joking

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes
                                  26 Jun 2020, 15:57

                                  Everybody has their own level of comfort. I stick the mail in the sunroom for 24-48 hrs before opening it because it's really easy to do, but when we get food we put it straight in the fridge, because otherwise it will go off, and I'll get food poisoning, which wouldn't feel good. I realise the chance of catching Covid from the mail is low, but you can further reduce a small risk with a very minor action. In the unlikely event that something very urgent arrives in the mail, I'll open it immediately.

                                  You don't need to overthink this. (Yes, that meant ironically)

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                                  Loki
                                  wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 16:56 last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                  Everybody has their own level of comfort. I stick the mail in the sunroom for 24-48 hrs before opening it because it's really easy to do, but when we get food we put it straight in the fridge, because otherwise it will go off, and I'll get food poisoning, which wouldn't feel good. I realise the chance of catching Covid from the mail is low, but you can further reduce a small risk with a very minor action. In the unlikely event that something very urgent arrives in the mail, I'll open it immediately.

                                  You don't need to overthink this. (Yes, that meant ironically)

                                  I didn’t ask about the time , it’s your level of fear. What if you forget to wipe or open a piece of mail without curing it, are you scared?

                                  Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply 26 Jun 2020, 18:15
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                                    Loki
                                    wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 17:01 last edited by
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                                    Another question, how good are those wipes for the environment?

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                                    • L Loki
                                      26 Jun 2020, 17:01

                                      Another question, how good are those wipes for the environment?

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                                      Aqua Letifer
                                      wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 17:34 last edited by
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                                      @Loki said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                      Another question, how good are those wipes for the environment?

                                      I don't use wipes. I use an anti-viral spray.

                                      And I'm not at all "scared." Because I'm taking what I think are pretty good mitigation measures. Extraordinary circumstances would have to occur for me to get infected. I suppose it's still possible, but I'm not willing to wear a hazmat suit to bring my safety level from 99.5% to 100.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • A Aqua Letifer
                                        26 Jun 2020, 14:29

                                        @Loki said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                        @Mik said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                        I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                                        Same.

                                        Just curious, does some part of your brain think differently about the risk as in from this could save my life to in the abundance of caution. Where did the odds in your brain go from, to?

                                        It's simple cost-benefit.

                                        • If I do this and it's unnecessary, it means I will have wasted about two minutes spraying the box contents with anti-viral stuff, washing my hands, then going to pick it up from the porch.
                                        • If I don't do this and it is necessary, I get infected. Best-case scenario, I'm asymptomatic and risk having ground glass abnormalities in my lungs. Or maybe I just need to go to the hospital, in which case God knows what kind of outrageous medical debt I'll have for the rest of my life, nevermind the permanent complications due to recovery. Or heck, maybe I just die a terrible death alone.

                                        Wasting a couple of minutes and having Klaus call me stupid still seems like the better option.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:05 last edited by Mik
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                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                        @Loki said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                        @Mik said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                        I still wipe down anything that comes into the house.

                                        Same.

                                        Just curious, does some part of your brain think differently about the risk as in from this could save my life to in the abundance of caution. Where did the odds in your brain go from, to?

                                        It's simple cost-benefit.

                                        • If I do this and it's unnecessary, it means I will have wasted about two minutes spraying the box contents with anti-viral stuff, washing my hands, then going to pick it up from the porch.
                                        • If I don't do this and it is necessary, I get infected. Best-case scenario, I'm asymptomatic and risk having ground glass abnormalities in my lungs. Or maybe I just need to go to the hospital, in which case God knows what kind of outrageous medical debt I'll have for the rest of my life, nevermind the permanent complications due to recovery. Or heck, maybe I just die a terrible death alone.

                                        Wasting a couple of minutes and having Klaus call me stupid still seems like the better option.

                                        Precisely. With MFR's career he have a plethora of disinfecting options we got for free. It seems foolish not to use them. Such an easy thing to do.

                                        If it is so unnecessary why are restaurants required to disinfect table and chairs between customers and use disposable menus? at The Golden Lamb the other day they sprayed disinfectant, waited 60 seconds then wiped everything down. Then they went over everything with UV light.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • L Loki
                                          26 Jun 2020, 16:56

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                          Everybody has their own level of comfort. I stick the mail in the sunroom for 24-48 hrs before opening it because it's really easy to do, but when we get food we put it straight in the fridge, because otherwise it will go off, and I'll get food poisoning, which wouldn't feel good. I realise the chance of catching Covid from the mail is low, but you can further reduce a small risk with a very minor action. In the unlikely event that something very urgent arrives in the mail, I'll open it immediately.

                                          You don't need to overthink this. (Yes, that meant ironically)

                                          I didn’t ask about the time , it’s your level of fear. What if you forget to wipe or open a piece of mail without curing it, are you scared?

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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on 26 Jun 2020, 18:15 last edited by
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                                          @Loki said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in How exactly do you catch COVID-19?:

                                          Everybody has their own level of comfort. I stick the mail in the sunroom for 24-48 hrs before opening it because it's really easy to do, but when we get food we put it straight in the fridge, because otherwise it will go off, and I'll get food poisoning, which wouldn't feel good. I realise the chance of catching Covid from the mail is low, but you can further reduce a small risk with a very minor action. In the unlikely event that something very urgent arrives in the mail, I'll open it immediately.

                                          You don't need to overthink this. (Yes, that meant ironically)

                                          I didn’t ask about the time , it’s your level of fear. What if you forget to wipe or open a piece of mail without curing it, are you scared?

                                          I don't use wipes. I'm not scared, no. If I go into a store, I use hand sanitiser when I come out, and if I pay with a credit card, I give that a quick wipe down.

                                          This isn't about being scared - it seems quite likely that a lot of us are going to get this eventually, one way or another. I'm mainly trying to avoid being one of the fucking idiots who create a big surge.

                                          I was only joking

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