"Dune" fans?

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:

@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

The sequels don't make sense unless Chani dies in childbirth while with Paul, and Paul doesn't get to partially redeem himself, which is key to the story.

Still very much a possibility if they make subsequent movies.

[LuFins Dad]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:

@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds as though that misses the point as badly as making Paul into a hero.

I could see it going both ways.

[LuFins Dad]

@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

Yeah, and the Fremen aren’t exactly those blue skinny aliens, either. The Fremen were a very… I don’t want to say bloodthirsty .. let’s call them a practical people when it comes to death and war and spilling the blood of their enemies. If Chani is walking because of horror at the continued death and destruction across the universe being visited upon these planets by the Fremen? That’s out of character. If she’s walking because of what it’s doing to Paul to have to be this abomination? Ok.

If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

Jesus

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:

@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

Jesus Muad' Dib.

As I mentioned, there are some real liberties taken with the story. Because it's such massive work, I understand the need to be selective about what's shown.

But I don't understand some of the stuff, like not putting Fred's poison into the duel.

On the other hand, if I hadn't read the book, I would have thought this was a really great tale, well-told. That thought crossed my mind several times during the movie.

[Doctor Phibes]

It's not as bad as Peter Jackson tossing the dwarf.

[Aqua Letifer]

Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.

And Chani was pissed at Paul long before the Irulan thing, so I don't think that was it.

[George K]

@Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.

Exactly my thoughts. I took it for what it was. And that was REALLY well done.

[LuFins Dad]

Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

I have to re-watch it. I last saw it about a month ago.

Might be interesting.

Remember, the movie ends where Paul and Jessica end up in the desert and meet the Fremen.

ETA: It was my impression that the first movie was closer to the book than the 2nd.

Other than the rushed Dr. Yueh stuff, the missing "Dining" scene, the irrelevance of Thufir....

[Axtremus]

As a movie, well done, yes, very competently executed, but not innovative or groundbreaking like Star Wars was at the time. As for as the story goes, it still looks like a "chosen-one hero" sort of story, and the hero is not even that complicated/conflicted a character. The complex politics aren't quite getting through. Quite impressed by the worm riding scenes and the large scale military conflict scenes, though.

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

Annnd....?

[LuFins Dad]

It was fine. No issues with it. Will likely try to get to the theater this weekend to see the sequel.

[Doctor Phibes]

I'm hoping to get to it this weekend. I loved the first movie - I've watched it three times already.

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:

I'm hoping to get to it this weekend. I loved the first movie - I've watched it three times already.

Be sure to do IMAX.

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

@LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

Annnd....?

I’m not taking back the “It was fine”, but there were a few problems…

1. They just totally blew past the spacing guild and the navigators.

2. They also did not really explain how important spice is to the rest of humanity as well. The Bene Geserit, the Tleilaxu, medicines/aging, etc… Just that it was needed for navigation.

3. No explanation of Mentats… Just a guy whose eyes roll to the back of their heads …

4. The biggest potential problem is their tendency to “Na’vize” the Fremen. The tendency to of filmmakers to promote the idea of an innate nobility to the oppressed. They imply a wisdom and profound goodness to the native culture that is being squashed by the colonizer. First, that trope has always been ridiculous to begin with and second, that is NOT the Fremen.

But overall it was quite good.

[George K]

Agree with all of your points.

One of the things I really enjoyed (!) about the David Lynch movie is the scene where the Emperor meets with the guild navigator.

"The Bene Geserit witch must leave..." And, the relationship with the Bene Geserit with the Emperor.

Jose Ferrar's face as he looks into the orange gas-filled tank.

The actual navigator, with fish-like mouth.

The guild "interns" sweeping up any spice that may have spilled out.

Also, that scene in Lynch's movie really explains that plot of the emperor.

Link to video

[George K]

[George K]

"I can get a better deal from the Harkonnens."