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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

    I fear that this series will be like Apple's adaptation of "Foundation." Not really bad, in fact, pretty good. But it has little to do with the books, other than the general concept.

    I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.

    Film and TV adaptations are like cover bands: you have two options. Either get as close and identical to the source material as you possibly can (To Kill a Mockingbird), or you just gotta completely own the differences and go way off the reservation to make the adaptation truly your own (The Shining).

    All or nothin'. None of this in-between shit.

    AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    #12

    @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

    I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.

    Maybe the focus-grouping's objective is something a bit less ambitious than "greatness," maybe it's mere commercial profitability that they're after.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

      Worm riding. It was truly spectacularly well done. Brought a big smile to my face.

      I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out. Been waiting a couple of years. Expectations were absolutely cranked.

      And it did not disappoint. It was so excellent. I want to go back just for that alone.

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      @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

      I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

      The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

      Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

        I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

        The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

        Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

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        @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

        Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

        I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds as though that misses the point as badly as making Paul into a hero.

        I was only joking

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        • George KG George K

          @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

          I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

          The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

          Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

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          @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

          I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

          The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

          Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

          Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

          Please love yourself.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

            I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.

            Maybe the focus-grouping's objective is something a bit less ambitious than "greatness," maybe it's mere commercial profitability that they're after.

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            @Axtremus said in "Dune" fans?:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

            I don't understand why they keep getting this wrong. You can't focus group your way to greatness, motherfuckers.

            Maybe the focus-grouping's objective is something a bit less ambitious than "greatness," maybe it's mere commercial profitability that they're after.

            Yes, Ax, I know that, as does everybody else.

            Please love yourself.

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

              I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

              The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

              Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

              Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

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              @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

              Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

              The sequels don't make sense unless Chani dies in childbirth while with Paul, and Paul doesn't get to partially redeem himself, which is key to the story.

              I was only joking

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                George K
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                Rumor is that a 3rd movie is in the early planning stages. Villeneuve (sp?) wants to do it, but he has other stuff that he wants to do first.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                  Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

                  The sequels don't make sense unless Chani dies in childbirth while with Paul, and Paul doesn't get to partially redeem himself, which is key to the story.

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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                  Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

                  The sequels don't make sense unless Chani dies in childbirth while with Paul, and Paul doesn't get to partially redeem himself, which is key to the story.

                  Still very much a possibility if they make subsequent movies.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                    Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

                    I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds as though that misses the point as badly as making Paul into a hero.

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:

                    @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                    Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

                    I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds as though that misses the point as badly as making Paul into a hero.

                    I could see it going both ways.

                    The Brad

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                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                      @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                      I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

                      The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

                      Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

                      Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

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                      @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                      @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                      I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

                      The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

                      Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

                      Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

                      Yeah, and the Fremen aren’t exactly those blue skinny aliens, either. The Fremen were a very… I don’t want to say bloodthirsty .. let’s call them a practical people when it comes to death and war and spilling the blood of their enemies. If Chani is walking because of horror at the continued death and destruction across the universe being visited upon these planets by the Fremen? That’s out of character. If she’s walking because of what it’s doing to Paul to have to be this abomination? Ok.

                      If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                        @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                        I had been looking forward to that scene since I first heard part 1 was coming out.

                        The final battle with the worm-riding army was pretty cool too.

                        Thoughts on the ending, with Chani walking out and leaving?

                        Mixed feelings. Ultimately I think it's in keeping with an aspect of Herbert's vision that might otherwise not be conveyed. Dune ain't Avatar.

                        Yeah, and the Fremen aren’t exactly those blue skinny aliens, either. The Fremen were a very… I don’t want to say bloodthirsty .. let’s call them a practical people when it comes to death and war and spilling the blood of their enemies. If Chani is walking because of horror at the continued death and destruction across the universe being visited upon these planets by the Fremen? That’s out of character. If she’s walking because of what it’s doing to Paul to have to be this abomination? Ok.

                        If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

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                        @LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

                        If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

                        I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

                        Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

                          If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

                          I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

                          Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

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                          @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

                          If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

                          I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

                          Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

                          Jesus

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

                            If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

                            I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

                            Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

                            Jesus

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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in "Dune" fans?:

                            @George-K said in "Dune" fans?:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

                            If she’s walking because of Irulan, then I don’t think these guys understood the characters at all.

                            I got the distinct impression that's what it was.

                            Paul goes into this "I'll always love you" speech, and within 1 minute, turns to the Emperor and says "I marry Irulan or you die." Chani storms out, and summons Shai-Hulud.

                            Jesus Muad' Dib.

                            As I mentioned, there are some real liberties taken with the story. Because it's such massive work, I understand the need to be selective about what's shown.

                            But I don't understand some of the stuff, like not putting Fred's poison into the duel.

                            On the other hand, if I hadn't read the book, I would have thought this was a really great tale, well-told. That thought crossed my mind several times during the movie.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              It's not as bad as Peter Jackson tossing the dwarf.

                              I was only joking

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                                Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.

                                And Chani was pissed at Paul long before the Irulan thing, so I don't think that was it.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.

                                  And Chani was pissed at Paul long before the Irulan thing, so I don't think that was it.

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                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in "Dune" fans?:

                                  Meh. It's a movie. It ain't the book.

                                  Exactly my thoughts. I took it for what it was. And that was REALLY well done.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

                                      Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

                                      I have to re-watch it. I last saw it about a month ago.

                                      Might be interesting.

                                      Remember, the movie ends where Paul and Jessica end up in the desert and meet the Fremen.

                                      ETA: It was my impression that the first movie was closer to the book than the 2nd.

                                      Other than the rushed Dr. Yueh stuff, the missing "Dining" scene, the irrelevance of Thufir....

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Axtremus
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                                        As a movie, well done, yes, very competently executed, but not innovative or groundbreaking like Star Wars was at the time. As for as the story goes, it still looks like a "chosen-one hero" sort of story, and the hero is not even that complicated/conflicted a character. The complex politics aren't quite getting through. Quite impressed by the worm riding scenes and the large scale military conflict scenes, though.

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in "Dune" fans?:

                                          Watching Dune 1 with Lucas right now.

                                          Annnd....?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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