Trump vs. DeSantis
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wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 19:08 last edited by
The answer could not be more clear for Reps. Do it the DeSantis way. Dems are trying to paint him as a Trump clone - he’s not.
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The answer could not be more clear for Reps. Do it the DeSantis way. Dems are trying to paint him as a Trump clone - he’s not.
wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 19:50 last edited by@xenon said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The answer could not be more clear for Reps. Do it the DeSantis way.
You may be overestimating the Reps’ clarity of perception. What’s clear to you may not be clear to the Reps. You’d figure things would be “clear” to most people after a string of 59 failed attempts to convince the courts of voting fraud in the 2020 election, but not the Reps!
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@xenon said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The answer could not be more clear for Reps. Do it the DeSantis way.
You may be overestimating the Reps’ clarity of perception. What’s clear to you may not be clear to the Reps. You’d figure things would be “clear” to most people after a string of 59 failed attempts to convince the courts of voting fraud in the 2020 election, but not the Reps!
wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 20:10 last edited by@Axtremus said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@xenon said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
The answer could not be more clear for Reps. Do it the DeSantis way.
You may be overestimating the Reps’ clarity of perception. What’s clear to you may not be clear to the Reps. You’d figure things would be “clear” to most people after a string of 59 failed attempts to convince the courts of voting fraud in the 2020 election, but not the Reps!
I think what some of them lack is not so much clarity, as intestinal fortitude. They really need to stand up to Trump, and forget about angering his base
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wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 21:41 last edited by
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wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 22:18 last edited by
God. Just go away.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 22:59 last edited by
Sean Spicer started laying the ground cover for Trump… The candidates that failed did so on their own. He pointed to an extreme difference in how much fundraising they did and how much of their own war chest they spent vs. relying on SuperPacs… According to him, successful campaigns like Johnson in WI and Budd in NC did a lot of fundraising and didn’t ask for or get much support from SuperPacs. Campaigns like Oz in PA and Masters in AZ did not put anywhere near the amount of work that was expected and even relied on SuperPacs to coordinate their ground game…
Don’t know if it’s true or not, but it sounds plausible. It also sounds like an attempt to give his old boss a path forward…
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wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 23:00 last edited by
Super PACS need to go away. All the worst ads come from them.
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Sean Spicer started laying the ground cover for Trump… The candidates that failed did so on their own. He pointed to an extreme difference in how much fundraising they did and how much of their own war chest they spent vs. relying on SuperPacs… According to him, successful campaigns like Johnson in WI and Budd in NC did a lot of fundraising and didn’t ask for or get much support from SuperPacs. Campaigns like Oz in PA and Masters in AZ did not put anywhere near the amount of work that was expected and even relied on SuperPacs to coordinate their ground game…
Don’t know if it’s true or not, but it sounds plausible. It also sounds like an attempt to give his old boss a path forward…
wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 23:44 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Sean Spicer started laying the ground cover for Trump… The candidates that failed did so on their own. He pointed to an extreme difference in how much fundraising they did and how much of their own war chest they spent vs. relying on SuperPacs… According to him, successful campaigns like Johnson in WI and Budd in NC did a lot of fundraising and didn’t ask for or get much support from SuperPacs. Campaigns like Oz in PA and Masters in AZ did not put anywhere near the amount of work that was expected and even relied on SuperPacs to coordinate their ground game…
Don’t know if it’s true or not, but it sounds plausible. It also sounds like an attempt to give his old boss a path forward…
Sean Spicer is hinting that Trump pathetically picked a bunch of weak, lazy losers who cannot pull their own weights.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 17:48 last edited by
Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
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Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 18:42 last edited by@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
How long before Trump starts complaining about right-wing media bias?
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@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
How long before Trump starts complaining about right-wing media bias?
wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 19:16 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
How long before Trump starts complaining about right-wing media bias?
Pretty sure he was complaining about Fox a lot leading up to 2020.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 19:56 last edited by
Assuming it ensures, I wonder if Newsmax or OANN will become the destination for Trumpistan.
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Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 20:01 last edited by@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
Also, from Politico: "Although Murdoch’s breakup dazed some members of the commentariat, it shouldn’t have. Murdoch has no friends. He has no loyalties. He has no principles. And never has. His support of politicians has always been transactional and extractive. Now entering the final days of his political career, Trump is expendable, making the Post’s and Journal’s twin discoveries in the same moment of Trump’s crimes against the Constitution a convenient cover story for the orange man. Murdoch has always been a political cad, swooning and then dumping his political partners when a better-looking one comes along. Murdoch’s next fling looks to be Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, whom Fox News has slathered with positive attention in recent months."
More: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/25/rupert-murdoch-donald-trump-splitsville-00047748
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@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Now I don't put much stock in Salon, but this is interesting.
Also, from Politico: "Although Murdoch’s breakup dazed some members of the commentariat, it shouldn’t have. Murdoch has no friends. He has no loyalties. He has no principles. And never has. His support of politicians has always been transactional and extractive. Now entering the final days of his political career, Trump is expendable, making the Post’s and Journal’s twin discoveries in the same moment of Trump’s crimes against the Constitution a convenient cover story for the orange man. Murdoch has always been a political cad, swooning and then dumping his political partners when a better-looking one comes along. Murdoch’s next fling looks to be Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, whom Fox News has slathered with positive attention in recent months."
More: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/25/rupert-murdoch-donald-trump-splitsville-00047748
wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 20:58 last edited by Doctor Phibes 11 Oct 2022, 20:59@Catseye3 said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
His support of politicians has always been transactional and extractive.
I'm certainly no fan of Murdoch, but this is just as it should be.
They're supposed to work for us, not the other way round. Obviously, Rupert Murdoch isn't one of 'us', but he certainly doesn't owe Donald Trump anything.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 21:00 last edited by Mik 11 Oct 2022, 21:01
Actually, I find his ruthlessness refreshing. I've never minded dealing with people like that as long as I saw them coming. It's pretty easy to extract what value they offer by appearing to offer yours to them. It's a lot like hiring hookers - an unsavory but honest transaction.
This is where the street smarts I learned from my early reading of ghetto life and countless hours spent at a real pool hall came in handy.
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@Catseye3 said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
His support of politicians has always been transactional and extractive.
I'm certainly no fan of Murdoch, but this is just as it should be.
They're supposed to work for us, not the other way round. Obviously, Rupert Murdoch isn't one of 'us', but he certainly doesn't owe Donald Trump anything.
wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 21:29 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Rupert Murdoch ... doesn't owe Donald Trump anything.
Quite the other way around, as a matter of fact.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 23:42 last edited by
FFS.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 23:48 last edited by
How do you take a person like this seriously?
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wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 23:52 last edited by
@xenon said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
How do you take a person like this seriously?
You don't.
He was always an obnoxious SOB, but he never seemed to be quite as unhinged as he is now. I always thought his comments during the primaries regarding his opponents ("Little Marco") the equivalent of the Italian "Busting balls."
Now, it just seems mean spirited.
I think he's smart enough to realize that he's become an albatross and just can't cope.
Or not.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2022, 23:54 last edited by
I suppose he will be throwing tantrum haymakers until the referee calls it.