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What does a red wave look like?

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you? What do you think a decisive victory for either party looks like?

    The Brad

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      I don't know if Rogan's right, but this is funny:

      Link to video

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      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you? What do you think a decisive victory for either party looks like?

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        @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

        If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

        Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

        (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

          If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

          Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

          (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

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          @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

          @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

          If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

          Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

          (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

          That was kind of my thinking as well. I feel like we need to see at least 35 House Seats, and if the GOP only picks up 3 Senate Seats, I don’t know that is a “wave”. I suppose if you see some gains in Governors and State Houses…

          Spanberger vs Vega in VA is going to tell you how bad of a night it will be for Democrats. I’m also watching the NH Senate Race…

          The Brad

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            It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

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              @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

              It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

              Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                Dream on. That will likely never happen again.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

                  It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

                  Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

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                  @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

                  @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

                  It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

                  Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

                  When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress? I mean, we’ve had vetoes overridden as recently as 2021, but when was the last time it was possible without bipartisan support?

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

                    @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

                    It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

                    Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

                    When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress? I mean, we’ve had vetoes overridden as recently as 2021, but when was the last time it was possible without bipartisan support?

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

                    When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress?

                    1977 Congress 292 D (67%), 143 R Senate D (61%)D

                    1965 Congress 295 D (68%), 140 R Senate D (68%)D

                    https://history.house.gov/Institution/Party-Divisions/Party-Divisions/

                    https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm

                    Accomplishments, Great Society and Viet Nam

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                      I was going to say after Watergate or if not definitely the Johnson landslide over Goldwater. Before that probably the 30s.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        Historically, has MSM and social media ever been this far in the tank for either party?

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                          I suspect a meaningful parallel could be drawn between the red scare after ww2, and our current 'right wing existential threat' meme.

                          Education is extremely important.

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