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What does a red wave look like?

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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you? What do you think a decisive victory for either party looks like?

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    @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

    If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

    Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

    (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

      If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

      Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

      (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

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      @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

      @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

      If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

      Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

      (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

      That was kind of my thinking as well. I feel like we need to see at least 35 House Seats, and if the GOP only picks up 3 Senate Seats, I don’t know that is a “wave”. I suppose if you see some gains in Governors and State Houses…

      Spanberger vs Vega in VA is going to tell you how bad of a night it will be for Democrats. I’m also watching the NH Senate Race…

      The Brad

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        It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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          It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

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          @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

          It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

          Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            Dream on. That will likely never happen again.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

              It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

              Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

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              @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

              @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

              It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

              Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

              When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress? I mean, we’ve had vetoes overridden as recently as 2021, but when was the last time it was possible without bipartisan support?

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

                @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

                It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

                Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

                When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress? I mean, we’ve had vetoes overridden as recently as 2021, but when was the last time it was possible without bipartisan support?

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                @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

                When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress?

                1977 Congress 292 D (67%), 143 R Senate D (61%)D

                1965 Congress 295 D (68%), 140 R Senate D (68%)D

                https://history.house.gov/Institution/Party-Divisions/Party-Divisions/

                https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm

                Accomplishments, Great Society and Viet Nam

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                  I was going to say after Watergate or if not definitely the Johnson landslide over Goldwater. Before that probably the 30s.

                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                    Historically, has MSM and social media ever been this far in the tank for either party?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      I suspect a meaningful parallel could be drawn between the red scare after ww2, and our current 'right wing existential threat' meme.

                      Education is extremely important.

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