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What does a red wave look like?

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you? What do you think a decisive victory for either party looks like?

    The Brad

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      I don't know if Rogan's right, but this is funny:

      Link to video

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you? What do you think a decisive victory for either party looks like?

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        @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

        If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

        Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

        (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

          If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

          Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

          (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

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          @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

          @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

          If Republicans pickup 2 seats in the Senate and 30 in the House, does that constitute a “Red Wave” to you?

          Certainly not. I don’t know how constructive it is to argue about slippery definitions but i would think “Red Wave” would require something materially greater than the average historical loss the incumbent president’s party sees in a midterm election.

          (That average is 28 house seats and 4 senate seats.)

          That was kind of my thinking as well. I feel like we need to see at least 35 House Seats, and if the GOP only picks up 3 Senate Seats, I don’t know that is a “wave”. I suppose if you see some gains in Governors and State Houses…

          Spanberger vs Vega in VA is going to tell you how bad of a night it will be for Democrats. I’m also watching the NH Senate Race…

          The Brad

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          • MikM Away
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            It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • MikM Mik

              It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

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              @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

              It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

              Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                Dream on. That will likely never happen again.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

                  It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

                  Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

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                  @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

                  @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

                  It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

                  Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

                  When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress? I mean, we’ve had vetoes overridden as recently as 2021, but when was the last time it was possible without bipartisan support?

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    @jon-nyc said in What does a red wave look like?:

                    @Mik said in What does a red wave look like?:

                    It won't be enough to give us a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's all that really matters at this point.

                    Really what you would want is enough for a veto override, which is an even higher bar - 2/3 of each body.

                    When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress? I mean, we’ve had vetoes overridden as recently as 2021, but when was the last time it was possible without bipartisan support?

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in What does a red wave look like?:

                    When was the last time a party controlled that much of Congress?

                    1977 Congress 292 D (67%), 143 R Senate D (61%)D

                    1965 Congress 295 D (68%), 140 R Senate D (68%)D

                    https://history.house.gov/Institution/Party-Divisions/Party-Divisions/

                    https://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm

                    Accomplishments, Great Society and Viet Nam

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                      I was going to say after Watergate or if not definitely the Johnson landslide over Goldwater. Before that probably the 30s.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        Historically, has MSM and social media ever been this far in the tank for either party?

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                          I suspect a meaningful parallel could be drawn between the red scare after ww2, and our current 'right wing existential threat' meme.

                          Education is extremely important.

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