Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2

[Jolly]

Me thanes a lot...

[89th]

@Jolly said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

Interesting pipeline. 48", 3200 psi. Biggest I ever worked on was 36", 1500psi.

Those two lines are running a lot of gas...

Today's lesson on how ignorant I am on the topic:

1. Can they turn off the source of the gas?
2. Is the natural gas liquified to go in the pipeline?
3. How come these pipelines don't just explode every 5 seconds?
4. How is natural gas even extracted (I presume it's in a gas state at the source below the rocks)?
5. The world really needs to learn how to live without the finite fuels we have to dig up from under rocks. Let's go nuclear.

[jon-nyc]

@89th said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

@Jolly said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

Interesting pipeline. 48", 3200 psi. Biggest I ever worked on was 36", 1500psi.

Those two lines are running a lot of gas...

Today's lesson on how ignorant I am on the topic:

1. Can they turn off the source of the gas? Yes
2. Is the natural gas liquified to go in the pipeline? NO, BUT GAS IS LIQUIFIED FOR TRANSPORT ON SPECIAL SHIPS "LNG"
3. How come these pipelines don't just explode every 5 seconds? ENGINEERING
4. How is natural gas even extracted (I presume it's in a gas state at the source below the rocks)? YES, DRILL AND IT JUST COMES OUT. UNLESS IT'S STUCK IN CREVICES THE YOU HAVE TO USE WATER PRESSURE TO FRACTURE THE ROCKS. "FRACKING". YEARS AGO THEY WOULD JUST BURN THE GAS OFF SO THEY COULD GET TO THE OIL. IM SURE THEY STILL DO WITH REMOTE WELLS THAT HAVE NO NEARBY PIPELINE INFRASTRUCTURE
5. The world really needs to learn how to live without the finite fuels we have to dig up from under rocks. Let's go nuclear. HELL YES

[89th]

@jon-nyc Cool thx

[Klaus]

I seriously wonder why Russia hasn't attacked other non-Russian gas pipelines (such as the ones from Norway). That would do real damage to the European energy market.

[Jolly]

@jon-nyc said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

@89th said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

@Jolly said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

Interesting pipeline. 48", 3200 psi. Biggest I ever worked on was 36", 1500psi.

Those two lines are running a lot of gas...

Today's lesson on how ignorant I am on the topic:

1. Can they turn off the source of the gas? Yes
2. Is the natural gas liquified to go in the pipeline? NO, BUT GAS IS LIQUIFIED FOR TRANSPORT ON SPECIAL SHIPS "LNG"
3. How come these pipelines don't just explode every 5 seconds? ENGINEERING
4. How is natural gas even extracted (I presume it's in a gas state at the source below the rocks)? YES, DRILL AND IT JUST COMES OUT. UNLESS IT'S STUCK IN CREVICES THE YOU HAVE TO USE WATER PRESSURE TO FRACTURE THE ROCKS. "FRACKING". YEARS AGO THEY WOULD JUST BURN THE GAS OFF SO THEY COULD GET TO THE OIL. IM SURE THEY STILL DO WITH REMOTE WELLS THAT HAVE NO NEARBY PIPELINE INFRASTRUCTURE
5. The world really needs to learn how to live without the finite fuels we have to dig up from under rocks. Let's go nuclear. HELL YES

They still flare down here at isolated wells. It's really nice if the well is on your property and they'll let you use the gas.

Or, you can go out and steal some casing head...

[Renauda]

@Klaus said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

I seriously wonder why Russia hasn't attacked other non-Russian gas pipelines (such as the ones from Norway). That would do real damage to the European energy market.

That would trigger Article 5 of the NATO Alliance. You know what that means.

[Klaus]

@Renauda said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

@Klaus said in Leaks in the pipeline - Nord Stream 1 & 2:

I seriously wonder why Russia hasn't attacked other non-Russian gas pipelines (such as the ones from Norway). That would do real damage to the European energy market.

That would trigger Article 5 of the NATO Alliance. You know what means.

But you could do it in such a way that it isn't obvious who the culprit is.

[Renauda]

@Klaus

Not if the FSB were involved. Lately it tends to leave its greasy fingerprints not to mention chemical residue all over any convert operations it undertakes.

[jon-nyc]

[Mik]

[George K]

Putin explains.

[jon-nyc]

File this under interesting speculation of the "cui bono" variety:

Could China have done it?

It pinches Europe while giving them monopsony power buying Russian gas.

[Renauda]

Who might have or probably did it:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/10/04/shock-and-awe-who-attacked-the-nord-stream-pipelines-a78952

[jon-nyc]

Interesting but he could also have covered US and Chinese incentives.

[Renauda]

@jon-nyc

The fact that Tucker Carlson had already JAQed off over US incentives likely served as a deterrent for him. Good question about China though.

[Renauda]

Hybrid warfare, is Norway’s production next?

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/is-russia-preparing-to-target-vital-norwegian-energy-exports-to-europe/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGHQ8XpilwoHYXpb57A1ArgS4lU4Qi0oF531tPyaXt08gMC1cNkIhYqSlUZHxmP3bE6jjLMQpaxje-VMFd4sXHRlspW665fCDkI_I9nGfASeg

[jon-nyc]

[Copper]

[George K]

Pitchers

https://www.newsweek.com/new-images-reveal-extent-damage-done-nord-stream-after-explosion-1752869

Danish investigators believe that the damage to the Nord Stream pipelines by "powerful explosions."

One source claims the explosions came from within the pipeline.