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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?

    There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.

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    jon-nyc
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    #725

    @Jolly

    1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.

    2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @Jolly

      1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.

      2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.

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      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      and Secretaries of State

      Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Jolly
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        #727

        And they got through with Bleachbit and hammering hard drives.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          and Secretaries of State

          Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.

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          jon-nyc
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          #728

          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          and Secretaries of State

          Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.

          Which Trump had, what, a year and a half to do while he was feigning cooperation with the Feds?

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            #729

            https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/18/garland-to-appoint-special-counsel-for-trump-criminal-probes-00069451

            Garland appointed Jack Smith as Special Counsel for Trump criminal probe.

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              Jolly
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              #730

              Yep, done after the announcement. Nothing political about it.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                jon-nyc
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                #731

                Makes perfect sense. It will delay things but it’s better to firewall it from the administration.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  #732

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    Jolly
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                    #733

                    They'll have time. Friday afternoon drops can do that for you...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?

                      There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.

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                      @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.

                      @taiwan_girl said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      From National Archives
                      "NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA," the archives said in a statement. "Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administ

                      Not sure where President Trump is being held to a different standard?

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                        Jolly
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                        #735

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                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          jon-nyc
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                          #736

                          @taiwan_girl

                          That’s Jolly saying “I got nothing to counter that except my feels”.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            @taiwan_girl

                            That’s Jolly saying “I got nothing to counter that except my feels”.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            @taiwan_girl

                            That’s Jolly saying “I got nothing to counter that except my feels”.

                            No, that's Jolly saying that it's so obvious that even a cursory "look" by a blind mouse would see it.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #738

                              True, a mouse would need ideological blinders to not notice the difference between working with the National Archives vs working against them and repeatedly lying about it.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                Jolly
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                                Take off your laser vision glasses and consider the situation in toto. There has never been anything remotely like the full court press on Trump in the last 100 years. There may never have been anything like it since the beginning of the Republic.

                                One cannot look at anything waged against Trump by the Deep State, especially the Justice Department and FBI, and not consider political motivations. Their behavior in the past has been criminal, IMO.

                                Therefore, take any allegation lodged against Trump with a tablespoon full of salt.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  xenon
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                                  I guess “consider the context” is the only viable argument in support of Trump on this one.

                                  “Consider the facts” doesn’t help.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    Great way of putting it, @xenon

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      #742

                                      Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

                                      One has to back up and look at things with a historical view. And then not let pure hate get in the way.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

                                        One has to back up and look at things with a historical view. And then not let pure hate get in the way.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

                                        Didn't you just accuse Phibes of this?

                                        Address his post, why don't you?

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

                                          Didn't you just accuse Phibes of this?

                                          Address his post, why don't you?

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

                                          Didn't you just accuse Phibes of this?

                                          Address his post, why don't you?

                                          Which Phibes post? I've accused the lad of a lot of things, from messenger shooting to fucking sheep.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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