Mar-a-Lago raided
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wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 19:54 last edited by
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.
What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.
You've been manipulated...
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wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 20:14 last edited by Copper
Clinton took the furniture
and the Ws
But that wasn't gold plated so the Trumps wouldn't want it
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See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.
What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.
You've been manipulated...
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:11 last edited by@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point.
I think you have to concede the point. LOL
From National Archives
"NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA," the archives said in a statement. "Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration." -
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.
What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.
You've been manipulated...
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:21 last edited by jon-nyc@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point.
No you wouldn't, because your views are based on your feels, not on any evidence or facts.
What other president refused to cooperate with the national archives? What other president lied to them repeatedly, both verbally and in writing?
As I said months ago, if the fat man had simply cooperated, he wouldn't be in any trouble right now. At least for this.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:24 last edited by
Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?
There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.
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Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?
There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:40 last edited by jon-nyc1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.
2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.
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1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.
2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 12:47 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
and Secretaries of State
Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 12:48 last edited by
And they got through with Bleachbit and hammering hard drives.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
and Secretaries of State
Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 13:19 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
and Secretaries of State
Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.
Which Trump had, what, a year and a half to do while he was feigning cooperation with the Feds?
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wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 20:16 last edited by Axtremus
Garland appointed Jack Smith as Special Counsel for Trump criminal probe.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 20:43 last edited by
Yep, done after the announcement. Nothing political about it.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 22:27 last edited by jon-nyc
Makes perfect sense. It will delay things but it’s better to firewall it from the administration.
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wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 22:36 last edited by
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wrote on 19 Nov 2022, 02:41 last edited by
They'll have time. Friday afternoon drops can do that for you...
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Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?
There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.
wrote on 19 Nov 2022, 15:59 last edited by@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.
@taiwan_girl said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
From National Archives
"NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA," the archives said in a statement. "Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his AdministNot sure where President Trump is being held to a different standard?
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wrote on 19 Nov 2022, 17:15 last edited by
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wrote on 19 Nov 2022, 17:23 last edited by jon-nyc
That’s Jolly saying “I got nothing to counter that except my feels”.
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That’s Jolly saying “I got nothing to counter that except my feels”.
wrote on 19 Nov 2022, 17:25 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
That’s Jolly saying “I got nothing to counter that except my feels”.
No, that's Jolly saying that it's so obvious that even a cursory "look" by a blind mouse would see it.
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wrote on 19 Nov 2022, 17:29 last edited by
True, a mouse would need ideological blinders to not notice the difference between working with the National Archives vs working against them and repeatedly lying about it.
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wrote on 19 Nov 2022, 17:54 last edited by
Take off your laser vision glasses and consider the situation in toto. There has never been anything remotely like the full court press on Trump in the last 100 years. There may never have been anything like it since the beginning of the Republic.
One cannot look at anything waged against Trump by the Deep State, especially the Justice Department and FBI, and not consider political motivations. Their behavior in the past has been criminal, IMO.
Therefore, take any allegation lodged against Trump with a tablespoon full of salt.