Mar-a-Lago raided
-
wrote on 13 Oct 2022, 21:51 last edited by
SCOTUS: Nope, Mr. President.
The Supreme Court handed former President Donald Trump a loss Thursday in his dispute with the Justice Department over documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence, rejecting his request that a special master be allowed to review classified papers.
The justices denied Trump’s relatively narrow emergency request in a brief unsigned order. There were no noted dissents.
The decision does not affect the Justice Department’s access to the same documents as part of a criminal investigation. The more than 100 documents marked as classified are just a small portion of the 11,000 records seized by federal agents in August amid concerns that Trump had unlawfully retained official White House records after leaving office.
The high court left in place part of a Sept. 21 decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that barred the special master, federal Judge Raymond Dearie, from reviewing the documents. Trump had not contested the separate part of that ruling allowing the Justice Department to use the documents.
The appeals court said certain documents are deemed classified because they contain information that could harm the national security, and for that reason people may have access to them only if they need to know that information.
-
SCOTUS: Nope, Mr. President.
The Supreme Court handed former President Donald Trump a loss Thursday in his dispute with the Justice Department over documents seized from his Mar-a-Lago residence, rejecting his request that a special master be allowed to review classified papers.
The justices denied Trump’s relatively narrow emergency request in a brief unsigned order. There were no noted dissents.
The decision does not affect the Justice Department’s access to the same documents as part of a criminal investigation. The more than 100 documents marked as classified are just a small portion of the 11,000 records seized by federal agents in August amid concerns that Trump had unlawfully retained official White House records after leaving office.
The high court left in place part of a Sept. 21 decision by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that barred the special master, federal Judge Raymond Dearie, from reviewing the documents. Trump had not contested the separate part of that ruling allowing the Justice Department to use the documents.
The appeals court said certain documents are deemed classified because they contain information that could harm the national security, and for that reason people may have access to them only if they need to know that information.
-
wrote on 14 Nov 2022, 21:32 last edited by
Trump's new court filing claims that Trump has designated all the documents Trump took to Mar-A-Lago are Trump's "personal documents."
-
Trump's new court filing claims that Trump has designated all the documents Trump took to Mar-A-Lago are Trump's "personal documents."
-
The filing actually says that by definition, any document he took to MAL as President became a personal document.
Good luck with that one.
wrote on 14 Nov 2022, 21:44 last edited by George K@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Ken White said that was a purely performative motion and that it was unlikely he would even get Thomas’s or Alito’s agreement.
Well, he can declassify whatever he wants. The question is whether he really did or not. There's no documentation to support that he did.
Just saying that you did doesn't make it so.
ETA: I think, and this is just a wild-ass guess on my part, is that he's relying on the precedent of Bill Clinton having removed tapes of an interview from the White House and keeping them in his sock drawer. Good luck with that too.
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 12:28 last edited by
No nuke codes. It was all about ego.
Federal agents and prosecutors have come to believe former president Donald Trump’s motive for allegedly taking and keeping classified documents was largely his ego and a desire to hold on to the materials as trophies or mementos, according to people familiar with the matter.
As part of the investigation, federal authorities reviewed the classified documents that were recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home and private club, looking to see if the types of information contained in them pointed to any kind of pattern or similarities, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.No grift:
That review has not found any apparent business advantage to the types of classified information in Trump’s possession, these people said. FBI interviews with witnesses so far, they said, also do not point to any nefarious effort by Trump to leverage, sell or use the government secrets. Instead, the former president seemed motivated by a more basic desire not to give up what he believed was his property, these people said.
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 13:46 last edited by
So who won the nothing burger prediction competition on this one? My guess is, nobody on the left.
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 13:59 last edited by
One more in a long line of nothingburgers.
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 14:00 last edited by
It's all a strategy to politically wound Trump.
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 15:00 last edited by
It’s always the coverup.
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 17:17 last edited by
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 17:53 last edited by xenon
A nothingburger in terms of implications - but at the core, none of this would have happened if Trump wasn't acting like a man child.
What's the saying - play stupid games win stupid prizes.
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 19:54 last edited by
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.
What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.
You've been manipulated...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
-
wrote on 17 Nov 2022, 20:14 last edited by Copper
Clinton took the furniture
and the Ws
But that wasn't gold plated so the Trumps wouldn't want it
-
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.
What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.
You've been manipulated...
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:11 last edited by@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point.
I think you have to concede the point. LOL
From National Archives
"NARA moved approximately 30 million pages of unclassified records to a NARA facility in the Chicago area where they are maintained exclusively by NARA," the archives said in a statement. "Additionally, NARA maintains the classified Obama Presidential records in a NARA facility in the Washington, DC, area. As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the Presidential records of his Administration." -
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point. The fact is that all former Presidents have taken all sorts of papers.
What you're getting is hyper-scrutiny of all things Trump, from government bureaucrats to the MSM. Then folks like you come along and hear the constant drumbeat of Bad Trump, Bad Trump, Bad Trump and then you're conditioned to always think the worst.
You've been manipulated...
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:21 last edited by jon-nyc@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
See, if Barry didn't have boxes of stuff he shouldn't have, I might concede your point.
No you wouldn't, because your views are based on your feels, not on any evidence or facts.
What other president refused to cooperate with the national archives? What other president lied to them repeatedly, both verbally and in writing?
As I said months ago, if the fat man had simply cooperated, he wouldn't be in any trouble right now. At least for this.
-
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:24 last edited by
Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?
There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
-
Who else has been hounded for documents that other Presidents had?
There is a standard for Trump. Then, there is a standard for everybody else.
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 03:40 last edited by jon-nyc1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.
2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.
-
1). Surely they aren't the same documents. And other presidents (and Secretaries of State!) have been asked to return materials and have cooperated and done so.
2). We can't judge double standards, no other presidents that I'm aware of have refused to cooperate and publicly and in writing lied to the federal government about documents they've taken. If you are aware of counter examples, do let me know.
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 12:47 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
and Secretaries of State
Presumably after their lawyers determined what was classified and what was not.
-
wrote on 18 Nov 2022, 12:48 last edited by
And they got through with Bleachbit and hammering hard drives.
