Mar-a-Lago raided
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."
The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.
Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.
Again, you focus only on classified documents, while the proper scope really is about all the government records that Trump has no business keeping after he left office, that the US government has repeatedly asked for them to the returned. As mentioned earlier, "government records" make up ~85% of articles that the FBI has taken from Mar-A-Lago.
@Axtremus you're free to draw whatever inference you see in my tabulation. All the hoopla is about secret documents ("NUCLEAR CODES," they cried). While you may be correct about the other documents, that's not where the focus of the media has been, not the
contents of Clinton's sock drawerother things.I'll let you add up the others, because I need to cook dinner and pour some (not so) cheap Scotch.
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“Well, I think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring,” he flatly stated. He went on to say that Trump’s attorneys haven’t identified any private lawyer communications that should be insulated from government review, adding that everything else appears to be “seizable” by the feds.
“What people are missing, all the other documents taken, even if they claim to be executive privilege, either belong to the government because they are government records, even if they are classified, even if they are subject to executive privilege, they still belong to the government and go to the [National Archives],” Barr said.
“And any other documents that were seized, like news clippings and other things in the boxes containing the classified information, those were seizable under the warrant because they show the conditions under which the classified information was being held,” he added. “So I think it’s a red herring. I think it would, you know, at this stage, since they have...
Barr, once again, didn’t mince words.
“I think for them to have taken things to the current point they probably have pretty good evidence. But that’s speculation and until we see that it’s hard to say,” he said.
“Let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, OK?”
Barr added: “And how long is the government going to try to get that back? They jawbone for a year, they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, they then went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that, they feel, and the facts are starting to show, that they were being jerked around and so how long, you know, how long do they wait?!”
In the end, though Barr said he hopes “it doesn’t happen,” the former top attorney in the nation suggested that the DOJ may well indict the former president for hoarding classified documents.
“If they clearly have the president moving stuff around and hiding stuff in his desk and telling people to—they may be inclined to bring the case,” he concluded. “And there are differences of opinion on whether that makes sense. But we really have to know the facts to see, to make a judgment about that.”
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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“Well, I think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring,” he flatly stated. He went on to say that Trump’s attorneys haven’t identified any private lawyer communications that should be insulated from government review, adding that everything else appears to be “seizable” by the feds.
“What people are missing, all the other documents taken, even if they claim to be executive privilege, either belong to the government because they are government records, even if they are classified, even if they are subject to executive privilege, they still belong to the government and go to the [National Archives],” Barr said.
“And any other documents that were seized, like news clippings and other things in the boxes containing the classified information, those were seizable under the warrant because they show the conditions under which the classified information was being held,” he added. “So I think it’s a red herring. I think it would, you know, at this stage, since they have...
Barr, once again, didn’t mince words.
“I think for them to have taken things to the current point they probably have pretty good evidence. But that’s speculation and until we see that it’s hard to say,” he said.
“Let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, OK?”
Barr added: “And how long is the government going to try to get that back? They jawbone for a year, they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, they then went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that, they feel, and the facts are starting to show, that they were being jerked around and so how long, you know, how long do they wait?!”
In the end, though Barr said he hopes “it doesn’t happen,” the former top attorney in the nation suggested that the DOJ may well indict the former president for hoarding classified documents.
“If they clearly have the president moving stuff around and hiding stuff in his desk and telling people to—they may be inclined to bring the case,” he concluded. “And there are differences of opinion on whether that makes sense. But we really have to know the facts to see, to make a judgment about that.”
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Given the context - what should the FBI have done to get the documents after repeated rebuffs and (turns out) lying?
Ask again? Complain to the media? Forget it and let Trump have them?
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And the leaks continue.
I've seen this show...
Just imagine how giddy you’d be if this was a Clinton compound!
@89th said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And the leaks continue.
I've seen this show...
Just imagine how giddy you’d be if this was a Clinton compound!
What Hillary did and what Trump did, is grand theft auto compared to jaywalking.
Have some perspective, lad.
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She handed over the servers and cooperated.
He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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She handed over the servers and cooperated.
He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
She handed over the servers and cooperated.
He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.
Bleachbit & Hammers.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
She handed over the servers and cooperated.
He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.
Bleachbit & Hammers.
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
She handed over the servers and cooperated.
He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.
Bleachbit & Hammers.
Nothing wrong with Bleachbit and Hammers.
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Man, this would be some pretty damning shit if it wasn’t coming from the same group that gave us the Steele Dossier, encouraged and abetted a school shooter, tried to kidnap a Governor, staged the world’s worst fake white supremacist rally, and performed countless other criminal acts to try and set up Donald Trump and manipulate public opinion…
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@Copper said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
She destroyed the evidence
He served his country
He loved serving so much he didn’t want to stop. Even when they told him to stop.
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“Well, I think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring,” he flatly stated. He went on to say that Trump’s attorneys haven’t identified any private lawyer communications that should be insulated from government review, adding that everything else appears to be “seizable” by the feds.
“What people are missing, all the other documents taken, even if they claim to be executive privilege, either belong to the government because they are government records, even if they are classified, even if they are subject to executive privilege, they still belong to the government and go to the [National Archives],” Barr said.
“And any other documents that were seized, like news clippings and other things in the boxes containing the classified information, those were seizable under the warrant because they show the conditions under which the classified information was being held,” he added. “So I think it’s a red herring. I think it would, you know, at this stage, since they have...
Barr, once again, didn’t mince words.
“I think for them to have taken things to the current point they probably have pretty good evidence. But that’s speculation and until we see that it’s hard to say,” he said.
“Let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, OK?”
Barr added: “And how long is the government going to try to get that back? They jawbone for a year, they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, they then went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that, they feel, and the facts are starting to show, that they were being jerked around and so how long, you know, how long do they wait?!”
In the end, though Barr said he hopes “it doesn’t happen,” the former top attorney in the nation suggested that the DOJ may well indict the former president for hoarding classified documents.
“If they clearly have the president moving stuff around and hiding stuff in his desk and telling people to—they may be inclined to bring the case,” he concluded. “And there are differences of opinion on whether that makes sense. But we really have to know the facts to see, to make a judgment about that.”
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Of course he did:
"Bill Barr had 'no guts,' and got 'no glory.' He was a weak and pathetic RINO, who was so afraid of being Impeached that he became a captive to the Radical Left Democrats," Trump wrote in a post on his social media site, Truth Social, referring to Barr as a "Republican In Name Only."
"Barr never fought the way he should have for Election Integrity, and so much else. He started off OK as A.G., but faded fast - Didn't have courage or stamina. People like that will never Make America Great Again!" Trump continued.
In a second post, he also criticized Barr's handling of the Russia probe and the "Laptop from Hell," presumably a reference to Hunter Biden's laptop.
Barr was largely considered a staunch ally of Trump while serving as his attorney general from February 2019 to December 2020. Their relationship changed when Barr came forward to say the Justice Department had found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would have impacted the election results, directly defying Trump's insistence that the election had been stolen from him. He departed the administration one month before the end of Trump's term.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Of course he did:
"Bill Barr had 'no guts,' and got 'no glory.' He was a weak and pathetic RINO, who was so afraid of being Impeached that he became a captive to the Radical Left Democrats," Trump wrote in a post on his social media site, Truth Social, referring to Barr as a "Republican In Name Only."
"Barr never fought the way he should have for Election Integrity, and so much else. He started off OK as A.G., but faded fast - Didn't have courage or stamina. People like that will never Make America Great Again!" Trump continued.
In a second post, he also criticized Barr's handling of the Russia probe and the "Laptop from Hell," presumably a reference to Hunter Biden's laptop.
Barr was largely considered a staunch ally of Trump while serving as his attorney general from February 2019 to December 2020. Their relationship changed when Barr came forward to say the Justice Department had found no evidence of widespread voter fraud that would have impacted the election results, directly defying Trump's insistence that the election had been stolen from him. He departed the administration one month before the end of Trump's term.
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Trump just exudes klass in a trailer park kinda of way.
I wonder if his inferiority complex is what makes him so attractive to his MAGA Republican base?
@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Trump just exudes klass in a trailer park kinda of way.
I wonder if his inferiority complex is what makes him so attractive to his MAGA Republican base?
Indirectly yes.
What with we being primates and all, the status games are never too far under the surface. Trump and his base resent the same people, and Trump is often in a position to smite them.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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She handed over the servers and cooperated.
He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
She handed over the servers and cooperated.
He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.
Turley, today:
Prosecuting Trump for a misdemeanor for possessing or removing classified documents would seem gratuitous, while prosecuting him for a felony would raise questions of biased or selective prosecution. After all, in 2016, Hillary Clinton had not just 113 documents containing classified material but some documents “classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level” on her private email servers. (In Trump’s case, the government allegedly found roughly 100 documents in the Mar-a-Lago raid in addition to roughly 150 handled over by the Trump team under an earlier subpoena.)
Clinton’s documents were even more vulnerable to being compromised via her unclassified email account and, according to the FBI, “hostile actors gained access” to some of the information. Yet she was never subjected to a raid, let alone a charge.
Yet, while less glaring as a contradiction than the charges on the possession or handling of classified information, an obstruction charge would allow up to a 20-year sentence and could be brought with misdemeanor charges on the mishandling or retention of classified information.
Thus, an obstruction charge against Trump would be prosecuted in the shadow of Hillary Clinton’s case. In addition to the transfer of top-secret and other classified documents to her private server, Clinton and her staff did not fully cooperate with investigators. During the investigations of her conduct, some of us marveled at the temerity of the Clinton staff in refusing to turn over her laptop and other evidence to State Department and DOJ investigators. The FBI had to cut deals with her aides to secure their cooperation.Later, more classified material was found on the laptop of former congressman Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), who was married to top Clinton aide Huma Abedin — 49,000 emails potentially relevant to the Clinton investigation.
After Congress sought these emails, Clinton’s staff unilaterally destroyed thousands of emails with BleachBit. Clinton was aware that Congress and the State Department were seeking the emails in 2014. Her lawyers turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted 33,000 others while insisting they unilaterally deemed them “personal.”
Garland may be able to make a case against Trump and show that it is indeed distinguishable from the Clinton case and others. What has been alleged is undeniably serious, including the alleged failure to comply with an earlier subpoena and false statements. However, Garland must address the legitimate concerns of millions of Americans that the same office involved in past Trump investigations — with documented instances of false or misleading statements — is leading this new effort. There also is the great concern over the Biden administration charging a prior and possibly future political opponent.
With Hillary Clinton selling “But Her Emails” hats at $30 a pop, Merrick Garland will have to explain the prospect of one politician going to jail while the other goes retail.
