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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #558

    And the leaks continue.

    I've seen this show...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #559

      By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."

      The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.

      Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."

        The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.

        Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.

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        jon-nyc
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        #560

        @George-K

        In other words, it was a mostly peaceful protest declassified document collection.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          xenon
          wrote on last edited by xenon
          #561

          Given the context - what should the FBI have done to get the documents after repeated rebuffs and (turns out) lying?

          Ask again? Complain to the media? Forget it and let Trump have them?

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            And the leaks continue.

            I've seen this show...

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            Axtremus
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            #562

            @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            And the leaks continue.

            Not "leaked." The more detailed record of what the FBI took from Mar-A-Lago was released by the court.

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            • George KG George K

              By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."

              The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.

              Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.

              AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
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              #563

              @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."

              The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.

              Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.

              Again, you focus only on classified documents, while the proper scope really is about all the government records that Trump has no business keeping after he left office, that the US government has repeatedly asked for them to the returned. As mentioned earlier, "government records" make up ~85% of articles that the FBI has taken from Mar-A-Lago.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."

                The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.

                Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.

                Again, you focus only on classified documents, while the proper scope really is about all the government records that Trump has no business keeping after he left office, that the US government has repeatedly asked for them to the returned. As mentioned earlier, "government records" make up ~85% of articles that the FBI has taken from Mar-A-Lago.

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                George K
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                #564

                @Axtremus you're free to draw whatever inference you see in my tabulation. All the hoopla is about secret documents ("NUCLEAR CODES," they cried). While you may be correct about the other documents, that's not where the focus of the media has been, not the contents of Clinton's sock drawer other things.

                I'll let you add up the others, because I need to cook dinner and pour some (not so) cheap Scotch.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Bill Barr:

                  “Well, I think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring,” he flatly stated. He went on to say that Trump’s attorneys haven’t identified any private lawyer communications that should be insulated from government review, adding that everything else appears to be “seizable” by the feds.

                  “What people are missing, all the other documents taken, even if they claim to be executive privilege, either belong to the government because they are government records, even if they are classified, even if they are subject to executive privilege, they still belong to the government and go to the [National Archives],” Barr said.

                  “And any other documents that were seized, like news clippings and other things in the boxes containing the classified information, those were seizable under the warrant because they show the conditions under which the classified information was being held,” he added. “So I think it’s a red herring. I think it would, you know, at this stage, since they have...

                  Barr, once again, didn’t mince words.

                  “I think for them to have taken things to the current point they probably have pretty good evidence. But that’s speculation and until we see that it’s hard to say,” he said.

                  “Let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, OK?”

                  Barr added: “And how long is the government going to try to get that back? They jawbone for a year, they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, they then went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that, they feel, and the facts are starting to show, that they were being jerked around and so how long, you know, how long do they wait?!”

                  In the end, though Barr said he hopes “it doesn’t happen,” the former top attorney in the nation suggested that the DOJ may well indict the former president for hoarding classified documents.

                  “If they clearly have the president moving stuff around and hiding stuff in his desk and telling people to—they may be inclined to bring the case,” he concluded. “And there are differences of opinion on whether that makes sense. But we really have to know the facts to see, to make a judgment about that.”

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    xenon
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                    #566

                    The only argument in favor of Trump is that he isn't little people.

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                    • X xenon

                      The only argument in favor of Trump is that he isn't little people.

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                      George K
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                      #567

                      @xenon said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      The only argument in favor of Trump is that he isn't little people.

                      ...Yet.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        And the leaks continue.

                        I've seen this show...

                        89th8 Online
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                        89th
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                        #568

                        @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                        And the leaks continue.

                        I've seen this show...

                        Just imagine how giddy you’d be if this was a Clinton compound!

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                        • George KG George K

                          Bill Barr:

                          “Well, I think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring,” he flatly stated. He went on to say that Trump’s attorneys haven’t identified any private lawyer communications that should be insulated from government review, adding that everything else appears to be “seizable” by the feds.

                          “What people are missing, all the other documents taken, even if they claim to be executive privilege, either belong to the government because they are government records, even if they are classified, even if they are subject to executive privilege, they still belong to the government and go to the [National Archives],” Barr said.

                          “And any other documents that were seized, like news clippings and other things in the boxes containing the classified information, those were seizable under the warrant because they show the conditions under which the classified information was being held,” he added. “So I think it’s a red herring. I think it would, you know, at this stage, since they have...

                          Barr, once again, didn’t mince words.

                          “I think for them to have taken things to the current point they probably have pretty good evidence. But that’s speculation and until we see that it’s hard to say,” he said.

                          “Let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, well it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, OK?”

                          Barr added: “And how long is the government going to try to get that back? They jawbone for a year, they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, they then went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that, they feel, and the facts are starting to show, that they were being jerked around and so how long, you know, how long do they wait?!”

                          In the end, though Barr said he hopes “it doesn’t happen,” the former top attorney in the nation suggested that the DOJ may well indict the former president for hoarding classified documents.

                          “If they clearly have the president moving stuff around and hiding stuff in his desk and telling people to—they may be inclined to bring the case,” he concluded. “And there are differences of opinion on whether that makes sense. But we really have to know the facts to see, to make a judgment about that.”

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                          89th
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                          #569

                          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          [Bill Barr:]

                          Yeah but what does Bill Burr think?

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                          • X xenon

                            Given the context - what should the FBI have done to get the documents after repeated rebuffs and (turns out) lying?

                            Ask again? Complain to the media? Forget it and let Trump have them?

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #570

                            @xenon said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            Given the context - what should the FBI have done to get the documents after repeated rebuffs and (turns out) lying?

                            Ask again? Complain to the media? Forget it and let Trump have them?

                            Subpoena.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              And the leaks continue.

                              I've seen this show...

                              Just imagine how giddy you’d be if this was a Clinton compound!

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #571

                              @89th said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              And the leaks continue.

                              I've seen this show...

                              Just imagine how giddy you’d be if this was a Clinton compound!

                              What Hillary did and what Trump did, is grand theft auto compared to jaywalking.

                              Have some perspective, lad.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #572

                                She handed over the servers and cooperated.

                                He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  She handed over the servers and cooperated.

                                  He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #573

                                  @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  She handed over the servers and cooperated.

                                  He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.

                                  Bleachbit & Hammers.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    She handed over the servers and cooperated.

                                    He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.

                                    Bleachbit & Hammers.

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                                    Axtremus
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                                    #574

                                    @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    She handed over the servers and cooperated.

                                    He obfuscated, obstructed, and lied to the feds for a solid year.

                                    Bleachbit & Hammers.

                                    Nothing wrong with Bleachbit and Hammers.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #575

                                      Man, this would be some pretty damning shit if it wasn’t coming from the same group that gave us the Steele Dossier, encouraged and abetted a school shooter, tried to kidnap a Governor, staged the world’s worst fake white supremacist rally, and performed countless other criminal acts to try and set up Donald Trump and manipulate public opinion…

                                      The Brad

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                                        Copper
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                                        #576

                                        She destroyed the evidence

                                        He served his country

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          She destroyed the evidence

                                          He served his country

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                                          @Copper said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          She destroyed the evidence

                                          He served his country

                                          He loved serving so much he didn’t want to stop. Even when they told him to stop.

                                          I was only joking

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