Mar-a-Lago raided
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That must have been a hard column for him to write. Though he phrased it as ‘does the DOJ have a case’, he’s really saying ‘did Donald Trump conceal these documents and lie about it’. And his conclusion is a resounding yes.
wrote on 1 Sept 2022, 00:05 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
That must have been a hard column for him to write. Though he phrased it as ‘does the DOJ have a case’, he’s really saying ‘did Donald Trump conceal these documents and lie about it’. And his conclusion is a resounding yes.
Clearly he's become a RINO and a Very Bad Person. So bad.
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wrote on 1 Sept 2022, 00:49 last edited by Catseye3 9 Jan 2022, 01:01
It's "none of these documents is his," you troglodyte.
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wrote on 1 Sept 2022, 00:59 last edited by George K 9 Jan 2022, 01:01
@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
It's "none of these documents is his". you
troglodyteturdblossom.There.
And either is correct:
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@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
It's "none of these documents is his". you
troglodyteturdblossom.There.
And either is correct:
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wrote on 1 Sept 2022, 01:52 last edited by
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 11:50 last edited by
Yeah, it's the Daily Beast, but...
Are Trump’s Passports the FBI’s Smoking Gun?
When the FBI searched former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence earlier this month, they didn’t find a smoking gun, but they did find some smoldering passports.
On August 8, agents removed from Trump’s home 33 boxes of sensitive government documents, including more than 100 records classified at the highest levels. In a 36-page brief responding to Trump’s motion to appoint a special master to review the material seized by the FBI, the Justice Department explained that three of the classified documents were recovered from Trump’s private office, known as “the 45 Office.”
According to DOJ’s recent brief, classified documents in that office were “commingled” in a desk drawer with three passports. While the government did not disclose the name on the passports, Trump himself has complained that during the search, the FBI “stole” his three passports. It seems a safe bet that the passports DOJ recovered were Trump’s.
The significance of the passports is enormous. As DOJ explained in an understated footnote, “The location of the passports is relevant evidence in an investigation of unauthorized retention and mishandling of national defense information.”
In other words, the presence of the passports in the same drawer as the classified records tends to tie the unauthorized possession of these documents to Trump himself. A photo included with the filing shows the items that were recovered from his office. Among the classification markings on the documents are “Top Secret,” meaning that the disclosure of the material could cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security of the United States.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 12:49 last edited by
I would imagine Trump's defense will eventually degrade to "they planted the documents, and staged the photos" unless the FBI has a live body-cam footage from start to finish of the raid.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 19:19 last edited by
More detailed inventory of what the FBI has taken from Mar-A-Lago:
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/trump-v-US-inventory-09-02-2022.pdf
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:04 last edited by Mik 9 Feb 2022, 21:09
Looks like they just took everything they found. What business do they have taking news and magazine clippings? I'm inclined to accept Jolly's take that it was a fishing trip.
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Looks like they just took everything they found. What business do they have taking news and magazine clippings? I'm inclined to accept Jolly's take that it was a fishing trip.
wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:22 last edited by@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Looks like they just took everything they found. What business do they have taking news and magazine clippings? I'm inclined to accept Jolly's take that it was a fishing trip.
In the description they specifically say when the news-clipping were dated - maybe it has something to do with establishing how long the documents had been there.
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Looks like they just took everything they found. What business do they have taking news and magazine clippings? I'm inclined to accept Jolly's take that it was a fishing trip.
wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:28 last edited by Axtremus 9 Feb 2022, 21:36@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Looks like they just took everything they found. What business do they have taking news and magazine clippings? I'm inclined to accept Jolly's take that it was a fishing trip.
I just read something about that today, that when executing a search warrant it is common to also take articles packaged together or were in the immediate vicinity of the targeted articles, because these other articles give evidentiary context to where and how the targeted articles were stored and handled.
The WSJ article, if you can access it, breaks down the number of articles that are government documents vs. not government documents, classification levels vs. not classified, etc. Just from eyeballing the graphics produced by the WSJ, it looks like ~85% of the articles are government documents. So that speak against the "fishing expedition" accusation.
EDIT: the WSJ quoting former Trump-appointed US Attorney General William Barr: “Once you’re investigating, and you go in and execute a search warrant, you’re entitled to take not only the government records but things from the same containers where you found the documents that will show the context in which they were held.”
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:38 last edited by
And the leaks continue.
I've seen this show...
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:43 last edited by
By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."
The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.
Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.
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By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."
The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.
Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:51 last edited by xenon 9 Feb 2022, 21:52
Given the context - what should the FBI have done to get the documents after repeated rebuffs and (turns out) lying?
Ask again? Complain to the media? Forget it and let Trump have them?
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wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:52 last edited by
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And the leaks continue.
Not "leaked." The more detailed record of what the FBI took from Mar-A-Lago was released by the court.
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By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."
The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.
Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.
wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 21:58 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."
The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.
Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.
Again, you focus only on classified documents, while the proper scope really is about all the government records that Trump has no business keeping after he left office, that the US government has repeatedly asked for them to the returned. As mentioned earlier, "government records" make up ~85% of articles that the FBI has taken from Mar-A-Lago.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
By my count I see about 100 documents labeled anything from "Confidential" to "Top Secret."
The "Top Secret" number about 10 or so.
Again, by my count that's out of 13,096 documents, photos, folders, etc.
Again, you focus only on classified documents, while the proper scope really is about all the government records that Trump has no business keeping after he left office, that the US government has repeatedly asked for them to the returned. As mentioned earlier, "government records" make up ~85% of articles that the FBI has taken from Mar-A-Lago.
wrote on 2 Sept 2022, 22:02 last edited by@Axtremus you're free to draw whatever inference you see in my tabulation. All the hoopla is about secret documents ("NUCLEAR CODES," they cried). While you may be correct about the other documents, that's not where the focus of the media has been, not the
contents of Clinton's sock drawerother things.I'll let you add up the others, because I need to cook dinner and pour some (not so) cheap Scotch.