Mar-a-Lago raided
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"
Perhaps (though I doubt it).
And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.
“Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”
“And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.
“We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.
“His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
Yup, Doocy is right. The Trump defense is quite laughable at the moment.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"
Perhaps (though I doubt it).
And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?
Can a President declassify a classified document? Technically yes, although it is rare. And logically, without proof (which is usually a memorandum attached, and a stamp that declares a document declassified, by whom, their authority, and a date), then the document shall be treated as classified by all parties until said proof is rendered.
In short, this seems like Trump being pulled over for speeding but telling the cop "oh, I meant to slow down, so I'm not guilty".
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I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.
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@89th said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.
The solid gold shitter should have given it away. Admittedly, that's more like Middle-Eastern fiefdom/brothel than actual royalty, but the mind-set's there....
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@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?
Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.
Do you have pom-poms to go along with that cheerleader outfit?
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are
As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.
Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?
Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?
The President can declassify whatever he wishes.
As long as he the sitting President, yes, he can declassify documents. He also must make note of those docs while he is sitting POTUS and follow prescribed protocols. He cannot declassify documents that he has in his possession when he is no longer POTUS.
Trump, of course, believes that he is still President. Presumably you and one or two others here, do as well.
For the President, there are no prescribed protocols.
I now remember where I read it.
Like I said, an unimpeachable source (of distraction).
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?
Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.
Do you have pom-poms to go along with that cheerleader outfit?
Cheerleading is not illegal, unlike keeping US Government properties that you’re not allowed to keep.
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@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I think that was me. I scratched around to find an accurate answer, and was surprised to learn there were no protocols for the president.
Don’t think so. This was your link from that point in the argument:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/aug/11/could-trump-argue-declassified-documents/
The answer though lies somewhere between posts 316 and 350 of this thread.
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89th may not agree, but I still maintain that a President can declassify a document at will.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
89th may not agree, but I still maintain that a President can declassify a document at will.
They can, but there is still a process for it. Think of it like an executive order. A president can say an order, but he still needs to publish and sign and whatever an actual document.
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Bottom line from Andrew McCarthy:
"Based on its continuing investigation, particularly interviews of witnesses whom prosecutors do not want to identify, the FBI concluded that Trump persisted in storing top-secret intelligence at Mar-a-Lago. While some was likely to be in the boxes, other documents were apt to be found in his office space, among other places he frequented.
That is just what the August 8 search uncovered. As prosecutors point out, in addition to finding classified documents in Trump’s office, the FBI found 76 classified documents in storage room boxes — more than twice as many as Trump’s representatives produced on June 3 when they claimed there was nothing more to be found at the resort.
This is a serious obstruction case that appears as if it would not be difficult to prove. The Justice Department is under immense pressure from the Democratic base to indict Trump, and the jury pool in Washington, DC, where the government would file any indictment, is intensely anti-Trump. It is thus hard to imagine that Attorney General Merrick Garland will decide against filing charges."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
the jury pool in Washington, DC, where the government would file any indictment, is intensely anti-Trump.
I don't know anything about grand jury selection, if that's what he's talking about. Do people ever file for a change of venue for a grand jury? Cuz that would be yet another delaying tactic for Trump.
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It’s always something.
