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    Renauda
    wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 15:41 last edited by Renauda
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    I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

    In other words, he is a liability not an asset.

    Elbows up!

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    • R Renauda
      29 Aug 2022, 00:03

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      I’m not sure what they do if the evidence is top secret.

      Surely it’s all declassified?

      Apparently so, either by having it in his possession or by, Lord knows, magic. Let’s let the courts decide and set a precedent. After all, that how Common Law works.

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      Catseye3
      wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 15:44 last edited by
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      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

      After all, that how Common Law works.

      And Trump is nothing if not Common.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • C Catseye3
        29 Aug 2022, 15:44

        @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        After all, that how Common Law works.

        And Trump is nothing if not Common.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 15:48 last edited by
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        @Catseye3

        Indeed, common with a very small “c”.

        Elbows up!

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          29 Aug 2022, 14:18

          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          Another one:

          "Lindsey Halligan is a partner in the Miami and Ft. Lauderdale East offices’ Property Group, which focuses on defending multiple carriers in first-party insurance claims. Lindsey’s practice focuses on the litigation of numerous water, fire, SIU fraud, vandalism and theft claims on both residential and commercial properties."

          She uses a gmail address. Apparently she needed assistance in the simple mechanics of filing the motion. Legal Twitter has been unkind.

          Here she is, apparently....

          6f025155-9a82-4e39-90cc-7a932093cabc-image.png

          Maybe I'm imagining things, but I'm starting to notice a bit of a pattern with the folk that DJT hires....

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 16:05 last edited by
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          @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          Another one:

          "Lindsey Halligan is a partner in the Miami and Ft. Lauderdale East offices’ Property Group, which focuses on defending multiple carriers in first-party insurance claims. Lindsey’s practice focuses on the litigation of numerous water, fire, SIU fraud, vandalism and theft claims on both residential and commercial properties."

          She uses a gmail address. Apparently she needed assistance in the simple mechanics of filing the motion. Legal Twitter has been unkind.

          Here she is, apparently....

          6f025155-9a82-4e39-90cc-7a932093cabc-image.png

          Maybe I'm imagining things, but I'm starting to notice a bit of a pattern with the folk that DJT hires....

          Nah, I don’t think that picture is negative for the lawyer. Nothing illegal or unethical is shown in that picture. (That picture looks like it’s from an anti-smoking campaign.) A lawyer can have other legitimate interests that lead to a picture like this. A lawyer can have a life outside of his/her life outside of his/her legal practice.

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          • R Renauda
            29 Aug 2022, 15:41

            I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

            In other words, he is a liability not an asset.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 16:09 last edited by
            #513

            @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            I would suggest that Trump’s trouble finding lawyers is 1) he has a reputation for not following their advice then blaming them when things go south and; 2) he is notorious for refusing to pay his bills.

            That's precisely as I've heard it described. You never know when he's going to undermine your entire legal strategy with a tweet Truth Social thingy.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              89th
              wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:19 last edited by
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              dd17c10d-56b4-437e-87d7-664710510096-image.png

              https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47

              Why didn't Trump just burn it all?

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:25 last edited by
                #515

                It’s always the cover up.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • 8 89th
                  31 Aug 2022, 12:19

                  dd17c10d-56b4-437e-87d7-664710510096-image.png

                  https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47

                  Why didn't Trump just burn it all?

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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:27 last edited by Catseye3
                  #516

                  @89th
                  Because then there'd be no story.

                  As a thought experiment, imagine if the whole documents thing never happened. Trump took nothing with him, no DOJ attention, nothing. Would he be in the news right now?

                  There's nothing else going on with him, is there?

                  Is it possible he set this whole thing in motion to get himself in the headlines? I'm not saying it's so, I have no idea, but it would make sense. If I'm right, look for the end game to be Trump vindicated and triumphant over the bad bad government. Which he will fix if you elect him.

                  Remember, he always finds a way to win.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    31 Aug 2022, 12:19

                    dd17c10d-56b4-437e-87d7-664710510096-image.png

                    https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47

                    Why didn't Trump just burn it all?

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:29 last edited by
                    #517

                    @89th

                    Really if the fat man had just cooperated like Hilary did he wouldn’t be in this spot. It’s the deception and lies to the Feds that led to this.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • J jon-nyc
                      31 Aug 2022, 12:29

                      @89th

                      Really if the fat man had just cooperated like Hilary did he wouldn’t be in this spot. It’s the deception and lies to the Feds that led to this.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:33 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                      Really if the fat man had just cooperated like Hilary did he wouldn’t be in this spot. It’s the deception and lies to the Feds that led to this.

                      An attorney looks at this (good thread):

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:08 last edited by
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                        If he had cooperated like Hillary, he would already be in jail.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:26 last edited by
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                          Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:29 last edited by
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                            Not to mention that cooperation would have turned this into a non-story, and he wanted a story to bolster his swamp-victim narrative.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • H Horace
                              31 Aug 2022, 14:29

                              Not to mention that cooperation would have turned this into a non-story, and he wanted a story to bolster his swamp-victim narrative.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:32 last edited by
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                              @Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              swamp-victim narrative.

                              Lord Farquaad wasn't the victim. I think he misunderstood that movie.

                              I was only joking

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                              • M Mik
                                31 Aug 2022, 14:26

                                Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:33 last edited by
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                                @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

                                Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:46 last edited by
                                  #524

                                  Fox:

                                  It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

                                  “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

                                  “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

                                  “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

                                  “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

                                  But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    31 Aug 2022, 14:46

                                    Fox:

                                    It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

                                    “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

                                    “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

                                    “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

                                    “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

                                    But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 15:14 last edited by
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                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

                                    That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • R Renauda
                                      31 Aug 2022, 15:14

                                      @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

                                      That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 15:26 last edited by
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                                      @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

                                      There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"

                                      Perhaps (though I doubt it).

                                      And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        31 Aug 2022, 14:46

                                        Fox:

                                        It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

                                        “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

                                        “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

                                        “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

                                        “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

                                        But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

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                                        89th
                                        wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 16:28 last edited by
                                        #527

                                        @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        Fox:

                                        It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

                                        “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

                                        “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

                                        “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

                                        “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

                                        But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

                                        Yup, Doocy is right. The Trump defense is quite laughable at the moment.

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                                        • G George K
                                          31 Aug 2022, 15:26

                                          @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

                                          There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"

                                          Perhaps (though I doubt it).

                                          And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?

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                                          89th
                                          wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 16:31 last edited by
                                          #528

                                          @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                          That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

                                          There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"

                                          Perhaps (though I doubt it).

                                          And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?

                                          Can a President declassify a classified document? Technically yes, although it is rare. And logically, without proof (which is usually a memorandum attached, and a stamp that declares a document declassified, by whom, their authority, and a date), then the document shall be treated as classified by all parties until said proof is rendered.

                                          In short, this seems like Trump being pulled over for speeding but telling the cop "oh, I meant to slow down, so I'm not guilty".

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