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Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?

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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    #1

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/politics/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit/index.html

    The CCP has been sable rattling a lot and warning dire military consequences if Speaker Pelosi were to visit Taiwan.

    What say you? Do you think Speaker Pelosi should visit Taiwan?

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #2

      What do you think?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • bachophileB Offline
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        bachophile
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        #3

        Absolutely.

        Backing down is inviting trouble. It’s time to call the bluff. China won’t invade because of the visit. They may muck around abit in the straits but no invasion.

        They are not stupid like Putin and Ukraine.

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          #4

          After the threat, the visit became impossible to cancel.

          The Chinese know that.

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            What do you think?

            AxtremusA Away
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            Axtremus
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            #5

            @Jolly said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

            What do you think?

            Speaker Pelosi should do it, because:

            1. We, the USA, is supposed to be the beacon of democracy, and Taiwan is a democracy. We should support democracies.

            2. We are the USA, we don't let 3rd party country tell us where our representatives can or cannot visit.

            If Taiwan don't want Speaker Pelosi there, or if Speaker Pelosi have other reasons to not visit Taiwan at this time, fine. Otherwise we should not let the CCP tell our Speaker of the House where she can or cannot visit.

            Now you, @Jolly, what do you think.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #6

              I think until we splash a Chinese fighter, it doesn't make much difference one way or the other.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
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                #7

                Without saying it, Taiwan hopes that the visit takes place.

                It is exactly what @bachophile said - if she does not go now, then it looks like the US is bowing to the wishes of mainland China.

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                • AxtremusA Away
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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
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                    #9

                    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3187407/tension-soars-taiwan-prepares-its-air-raid-shelters-subway

                    I remember doing these drills as a kid

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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      #10

                      An airplane believed to be carrying House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has landed on the island of Taiwan after weeks of international speculation and threats of retaliation from the Chinese Communist Party.

                      believed to be carrying?

                      Come on

                      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nancy-pelosi-lands-taiwan-chinese-threats-military-activity

                      (CNN)US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi landed in Taipei on Tuesday, marking a significant show of support for Taiwan despite China's threats of retaliation over the visit.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/nancy-pelosi-visit-taipei-taiwan-trip/index.html

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

                        The Brad

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Wholly agree, Lufin. There is nothing to be gained and everything to be lost.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #13

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                            While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

                            Another argument for term levels. Nancy has been unhinged for at least four or five years.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • AxtremusA Away
                              AxtremusA Away
                              Axtremus
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                              #14

                              @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

                              What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                                While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

                                Another argument for term levels. Nancy has been unhinged for at least four or five years.

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                                @Jolly said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                                at least four or five years

                                You misspelled "forty" and "fifty."

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

                                  What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @Axtremus said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                                  @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

                                  What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

                                  Sanity.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

                                    What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

                                    LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #17

                                    @Axtremus said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                                    @LuFins-Dad @Mik @Jolly , I do not recall seeing you object when US Senators and House Representatives visited Ukraine or Georgia (Eastern Europe) or Israel or or Japan or Taiwan (Sen. Rick Scott visited Taiwan as recently as July 8th) in the recent past.

                                    What are the key differences that motivate your objection to Pelosi's visit now?

                                    Do you recall seeing me take a crap? Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen…

                                    The Brad

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                                      taiwan_girl
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                                      In my (biased) opinion, not going to Taiwan by Rep. Pelosi would have been signaling to mainland China that all they have to do is shout and the US will back down. I am glad she went.

                                      China is the bully of east Asia. You have to stand up to bullies I think.

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Should Pelosi Visit Taiwan?:

                                        While she has no choice but to go now, I don’t think she should have ever started this shitshow. The Department of State should be making these visits along with the Chief Executive. Not the Speaker of the House. Foreign Diplomacy is not her job and she does not have the training or the authority to accomplish anything…

                                        Yep, well said

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          In her own words.

                                          https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/8222-3

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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