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  • M Mik
    8 Dec 2022, 13:31

    Good news. I wonder what it cost us.

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    George K
    wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 13:34 last edited by
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    @Mik a Russian spy, or arms dealer I believe.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 13:42 last edited by
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      https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/brittney-griner-release-russia-prisoner-swap-viktor-bout/

      A swap for arms dealer Viktor Bout.

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        8 Dec 2022, 13:17

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        Jolly
        wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:29 last edited by
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        @Axtremus said in Griner:

        Who is the chick with The Resident and Heels-up Harris?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:37 last edited by
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          Shown in the pictures in the tweet, dressed in red, is Brittney Griner's wife Cherelle Griner.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:38 last edited by
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            Damn. There was a veteran held on suspicion of being a cia agent that was going to be part of the swap.

            He should have been prioritized over this chick.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            • J jon-nyc
              8 Dec 2022, 14:38

              Damn. There was a veteran held on suspicion of being a cia agent that was going to be part of the swap.

              He should have been prioritized over this chick.

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              Renauda
              wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:43 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc

              I would have thought so as well.

              Elbows up!

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                8 Dec 2022, 14:38

                Damn. There was a veteran held on suspicion of being a cia agent that was going to be part of the swap.

                He should have been prioritized over this chick.

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                George K
                wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:43 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                Damn. There was a veteran held on suspicion of being a cia agent that was going to be part of the swap.

                He should have been prioritized over this chick.

                Indeed.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:47 last edited by
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                  Maybe they perceive it as some kind of positive PR move.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:53 last edited by
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                    Well to be fair I have no idea whether the Russians were really against releasing Paul Whelan or if they only had one and chose Griner.

                    The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 14:54 last edited by
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                      LOL...

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 15:03 last edited by
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                        Double LOL:

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 15:08 last edited by
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                          There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            8 Dec 2022, 15:08

                            There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 15:43 last edited by
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                            @Mik said in Griner:

                            There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

                            Yes. Supposedly the Russians are considering Whelan an espionage case, so it's not the same as a petty drug crime.

                            So, we gave them an arms dealer.

                            Right....

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              8 Dec 2022, 15:43

                              @Mik said in Griner:

                              There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

                              Yes. Supposedly the Russians are considering Whelan an espionage case, so it's not the same as a petty drug crime.

                              So, we gave them an arms dealer.

                              Right....

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 16:26 last edited by Renauda 12 Aug 2022, 16:43
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                              @George-K

                              Frankly, I think the Russians just got tired of the athlete’s incessant assertions of being discriminated against because of being black and gay along with her whining about the food and accommodations. Besides that, the other inmates probably disliked her sense of entitlement.

                              Elbows up!

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                                kluurs
                                wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 16:48 last edited by
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                                I can only imagine the despair of Whelan and his family. How horrible...

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 17:05 last edited by
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                                  In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

                                  The Brad

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                                    8 Dec 2022, 17:05

                                    In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 17:07 last edited by
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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Griner:

                                    In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

                                    He and Whelan don't check the "correct" boxes.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 17:17 last edited by
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                                      Great, another drug addict on the streets.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 17:26 last edited by George K 12 Aug 2022, 17:27
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                                        A Terrible Concession to Putin’s Russia

                                        Today you’re going to hear a lot of people defending the Biden administration’s deal to secure the release of Brittney Griner by giving Viktor Bout, the world’s most notorious arms dealer with a metaphorical ocean of blood on his hands, back to Russia. (I called the then-potential deal a “moral abomination” back in August.) Not securing the release of Paul Whelan makes this bad deal even worse.

                                        A lot of defenders of the deal will contend that critics are indifferent to the suffering of Griner, which is a dodge and a smear. The question is not, “is it in the interest of the U.S. government to secure the release of Brittney Griner?” That’s a silly question; the U.S. never wants to see its citizens unfairly detained under brutal conditions on trumped-up charges. The question is, what is an appropriate concession to secure the release of those citizens, and does the payment of the ransom make future problems like this more likely?

                                        It is hard to overstate the crimes of Bout; if any human being deserved to rot in prison for the rest of his days, it’s him. Longtime State Department official Witney Schneidman, who tracked Bout delivering arms to both sides of the Angola civil war, called Bout “the personification of evil.” From the end of the Cold War until his arrest in 2008, if there was an arms embargo, Bout flouted it — Liberia, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, Congo, Libya. Whenever there was a dictator or warlord who needed weapons to mow down his enemies or suppress a suffering population, Bout was there to make a profit off of bloodshed. He earned his nickname, “the Merchant of Death.”)

                                        After all, if the U.S. government is willing to release Viktor Bout — at one point, the second-most-wanted man after Osama bin Laden! — under enough pressure, then the U.S. government will release anyone under enough pressure: terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, spies like Robert Hanssen.

                                        It is likely that one of the reasons the Biden administration went ahead with this deal was their confidence that enough allies would choose to characterize it as a major diplomatic victory, not an epic concession to a hostile state that is likely to try to use the same strongarm tactics again in the future.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 17:53 last edited by
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                                          Exactly what I mean by what did it cost us. Bout is just the beginning.

                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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