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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #17

    LOL...

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #18

      Double LOL:

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
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        #19

        There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #20

          @Mik said in Griner:

          There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

          Yes. Supposedly the Russians are considering Whelan an espionage case, so it's not the same as a petty drug crime.

          So, we gave them an arms dealer.

          Right....

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @Mik said in Griner:

            There was more juice in getting Griner out. I would not be surprised if they prioritized her.

            Yes. Supposedly the Russians are considering Whelan an espionage case, so it's not the same as a petty drug crime.

            So, we gave them an arms dealer.

            Right....

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #21

            @George-K

            Frankly, I think the Russians just got tired of the athlete’s incessant assertions of being discriminated against because of being black and gay along with her whining about the food and accommodations. Besides that, the other inmates probably disliked her sense of entitlement.

            Elbows up!

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            • kluursK Online
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              kluurs
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              #22

              I can only imagine the despair of Whelan and his family. How horrible...

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                #23

                In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #24

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Griner:

                  In the meantime nobody is even mentioning Mark Fogel.

                  He and Whelan don't check the "correct" boxes.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Copper
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                    #25

                    Great, another drug addict on the streets.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by George K
                      #26

                      A Terrible Concession to Putin’s Russia

                      Today you’re going to hear a lot of people defending the Biden administration’s deal to secure the release of Brittney Griner by giving Viktor Bout, the world’s most notorious arms dealer with a metaphorical ocean of blood on his hands, back to Russia. (I called the then-potential deal a “moral abomination” back in August.) Not securing the release of Paul Whelan makes this bad deal even worse.

                      A lot of defenders of the deal will contend that critics are indifferent to the suffering of Griner, which is a dodge and a smear. The question is not, “is it in the interest of the U.S. government to secure the release of Brittney Griner?” That’s a silly question; the U.S. never wants to see its citizens unfairly detained under brutal conditions on trumped-up charges. The question is, what is an appropriate concession to secure the release of those citizens, and does the payment of the ransom make future problems like this more likely?

                      It is hard to overstate the crimes of Bout; if any human being deserved to rot in prison for the rest of his days, it’s him. Longtime State Department official Witney Schneidman, who tracked Bout delivering arms to both sides of the Angola civil war, called Bout “the personification of evil.” From the end of the Cold War until his arrest in 2008, if there was an arms embargo, Bout flouted it — Liberia, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, Congo, Libya. Whenever there was a dictator or warlord who needed weapons to mow down his enemies or suppress a suffering population, Bout was there to make a profit off of bloodshed. He earned his nickname, “the Merchant of Death.”)

                      After all, if the U.S. government is willing to release Viktor Bout — at one point, the second-most-wanted man after Osama bin Laden! — under enough pressure, then the U.S. government will release anyone under enough pressure: terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, spies like Robert Hanssen.

                      It is likely that one of the reasons the Biden administration went ahead with this deal was their confidence that enough allies would choose to characterize it as a major diplomatic victory, not an epic concession to a hostile state that is likely to try to use the same strongarm tactics again in the future.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #27

                        Exactly what I mean by what did it cost us. Bout is just the beginning.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          George K
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                          #28

                          Screenshot 2022-12-08 at 12.04.56 PM.png

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Screenshot 2022-12-08 at 12.04.56 PM.png

                            MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #29

                            @George-K 😁

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/dem/release/chairman-menendez-statement-on-the-release-of-brittney-griner

                              Written (or signed-off on) by Menendez (D-NJ)

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Well to be fair I have no idea whether the Russians were really against releasing Paul Whelan or if they only had one and chose Griner.

                                The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

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                                Axtremus
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                                #31

                                @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                                The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                                Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                                  The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                                  Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

                                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #32

                                  @Axtremus said in Griner:

                                  @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                                  The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                                  Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

                                  Great… What about Fogel?

                                  Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part. Fogel, though? Why aren’t people upset about him?

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #33

                                    Nice to know the government places equivalent value on a stoner, lesbian, professional athlete of color and an arms dealer that has been called the definition of evil…

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @Axtremus said in Griner:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Griner:

                                      The comments from Whelan’s family suggest the former, they said Biden did the right thing trading for Griner rather than hold out for a deal that can’t be done.

                                      Just came across this: https://people.com/sports/paul-whelans-family-devastated-hes-in-russia-but-happy-for-brittney-griner/

                                      Great… What about Fogel?

                                      Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part. Fogel, though? Why aren’t people upset about him?

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #34

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Griner:

                                      Whalen, there is something to the story. Too many weird actions and a shaky history on his part.

                                      I looked up the Wikipedia story on him.

                                      $80K in cash in Moscow? OK, then.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #35

                                        Is it appropriate to refer to those dishonorably discharged as vets?

                                        The Brad

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #36

                                          Pretty damning description and story.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whelan_(security_director)

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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