Roe & Casey overturned.
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@jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Not obviously true.
Bro what the hell are you doing even entertaining this.
This is like 5 Duning-Kruger incompetency curves, all in constructive interference with one another, creating the mythical idiocy superwave. Rare, fleeting, almost too powerful to believe.Perhaps the only reason youāre here is because your mom did decide to abort your older sibling.
Nah, very unlikely. Not likely due to age, and anyway, by accounts, it didn't happen.
Lots of people abort a pregnancy when young and go on to have kids when theyāre older. In many cases they wouldnāt have the later kid(s) if they had had the earlier one(s).
True.
Also common for adoptees to have younger half-siblings they never learn about.
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 03:46 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Not obviously true.
Bro what the hell are you doing even entertaining this.
This is like 5 Duning-Kruger incompetency curves, all in constructive interference with one another, creating the mythical idiocy superwave. Rare, fleeting, almost too powerful to believe.Perhaps the only reason youāre here is because your mom did decide to abort your older sibling.
Nah, very unlikely. Not likely due to age, and anyway, by accounts, it didn't happen.
Lots of people abort a pregnancy when young and go on to have kids when theyāre older. In many cases they wouldnāt have the later kid(s) if they had had the earlier one(s).
True.
Also common for adoptees to have younger half-siblings they never learn about.
I didnāt mean literally you. I meant simply to point out that aborting X pregnancies doesnāt result in X fewer people on net.
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wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 12:06 last edited by
@jon-nyc I read an article a few days ago that indicates a surprising number of abortions occur after child 1 was bornā¦
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@jon-nyc I read an article a few days ago that indicates a surprising number of abortions occur after child 1 was bornā¦
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 12:09 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@jon-nyc I read an article a few days ago that indicates a surprising number of abortions occur after child 1 was bornā¦
I can see that use case also.
Iām thinking more about the girl who had the abortion in college or grad school and goes on the have kids in her 30s.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@jon-nyc I read an article a few days ago that indicates a surprising number of abortions occur after child 1 was bornā¦
I can see that use case also.
Iām thinking more about the girl who had the abortion in college or grad school and goes on the have kids in her 30s.
wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 12:30 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@jon-nyc I read an article a few days ago that indicates a surprising number of abortions occur after child 1 was bornā¦
I can see that use case also.
Iām thinking more about the girl who had the abortion in college or grad school and goes on the have kids in her 30s.
Itās not just a use case, itās the majority.
https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2008
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wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 12:44 last edited by
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
LOLGTFOā¦
"Look, relax everyone! If we remove the filibuster for abortion and voting rights legislation, there's no way this move can backfire on us if and when the GOP wins back a Senate majority!"
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wrote on 1 Jul 2022, 13:21 last edited by
Yeah, well...how'd that work out for you last time?
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wrote on 2 Jul 2022, 22:33 last edited by
The blow dealt by the US Supreme Court limiting access to safe abortions has shone a light on the situation in Australia as protesters take to the streets in solidarity.
Thousands of people have already turned up at marches in Brisbane and Adelaide, and big numbers are expected in Melbourne and Sydney on Saturday.
Supporters are also expected to voice discontent in Perth, Hobart, Wollongong and Rockhampton on Saturday, and in Launceston on Sunday.
'Mind your own uterus', 'abortion is healthcare' and 'no uterus, no opinion' were among the messages written on placards.
The movement has been sparked by the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v Wade that has seen 27 US states move toward either banning or threatening to criminalise abortions.
While much of the attention is on America, there is still work to be done on abortion access at home, contraception and safe abortion providers, MSI Australia says.
'The events taking place in the US are devastating for human rights. Fortunately, we are not at risk of having abortion bans in Australia but we do need increased access and equity to abortion care services,' MSI managing director Jamal Hakim says.
Frontline health worker Cecilia Judge addressed the protestors gathered on the steps of the State Library of Victoria in Melbourne.
'Whenever abortion is presented as a debate anywhere, it can increase the shame, stigma, and for some of the people I work with, the grief of accessing abortion care,' she said.
'Abortion is not a debate, abortion is healthcare, and healthcare is a human right.'
Sex history researcher and TikTok influencer Esme James urged residents to stand together.
Australian laws:
What? It's not consistent across the nation? There are restrictions?
Who'da thunk it?
And Tasmania? OMG!
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wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 04:09 last edited by
Sounds like Canada?
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wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 16:57 last edited by
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
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Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 17:09 last edited by@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
That's good old political hackery and media manipulation.
The Ohio Ban allows for abortions in cases where the mother's health would be severely impacted and at risk. There is no question or doubt that a 10-year-old's health would be severely at risk. This is them trying to use this girl for a political statement.
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@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
That's good old political hackery and media manipulation.
The Ohio Ban allows for abortions in cases where the mother's health would be severely impacted and at risk. There is no question or doubt that a 10-year-old's health would be severely at risk. This is them trying to use this girl for a political statement.
wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 17:29 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
That's good old political hackery and media manipulation.
The Ohio Ban allows for abortions in cases where the mother's health would be severely impacted and at risk. There is no question or doubt that a 10-year-old's health would be severely at risk. This is them trying to use this girl for a political statement.
Is it not a fact that the pregnant 10 year old girl has been denied abortion in Ohio? You arguing āpolitical statementā is not helping that 10 year old, and Ohio remains complicit in subjecting the 10 year old to severe risks.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
That's good old political hackery and media manipulation.
The Ohio Ban allows for abortions in cases where the mother's health would be severely impacted and at risk. There is no question or doubt that a 10-year-old's health would be severely at risk. This is them trying to use this girl for a political statement.
Is it not a fact that the pregnant 10 year old girl has been denied abortion in Ohio? You arguing āpolitical statementā is not helping that 10 year old, and Ohio remains complicit in subjecting the 10 year old to severe risks.
wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 18:15 last edited by@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
That's good old political hackery and media manipulation.
The Ohio Ban allows for abortions in cases where the mother's health would be severely impacted and at risk. There is no question or doubt that a 10-year-old's health would be severely at risk. This is them trying to use this girl for a political statement.
Is it not a fact that the pregnant 10 year old girl has been denied abortion in Ohio? You arguing āpolitical statementā is not helping that 10 year old, and Ohio remains complicit in subjecting the 10 year old to severe risks.
No, it is not a fact. At least not according to your article or any other article that I've seen about it. The FACT is that the abortion ban does allow abortions in cases where the health of the mother is at risk. The fact is that a 10-year-old's health would be at significant risk. All this required was having a physician sign off on the risk to the mother. There is no doubt that just about any OBGYN in Ohio would have signed off on the pregnancy being a hazard to the child.
Ohio is not complicit in subjecting this girl to risks, the "Abuse Doctor" (they never state whether it's a physician) and the media is complicit in using this poor little girl to drive a narrative.
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@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
That's good old political hackery and media manipulation.
The Ohio Ban allows for abortions in cases where the mother's health would be severely impacted and at risk. There is no question or doubt that a 10-year-old's health would be severely at risk. This is them trying to use this girl for a political statement.
Is it not a fact that the pregnant 10 year old girl has been denied abortion in Ohio? You arguing āpolitical statementā is not helping that 10 year old, and Ohio remains complicit in subjecting the 10 year old to severe risks.
No, it is not a fact. At least not according to your article or any other article that I've seen about it. The FACT is that the abortion ban does allow abortions in cases where the health of the mother is at risk. The fact is that a 10-year-old's health would be at significant risk. All this required was having a physician sign off on the risk to the mother. There is no doubt that just about any OBGYN in Ohio would have signed off on the pregnancy being a hazard to the child.
Ohio is not complicit in subjecting this girl to risks, the "Abuse Doctor" (they never state whether it's a physician) and the media is complicit in using this poor little girl to drive a narrative.
wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 18:22 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ohio :
A 10 years old girl, six weeks and three days pregnant, an abuse victim, denied abortion in Ohio.
Thatās Ohio, in the good old USA.
That's good old political hackery and media manipulation.
The Ohio Ban allows for abortions in cases where the mother's health would be severely impacted and at risk. There is no question or doubt that a 10-year-old's health would be severely at risk. This is them trying to use this girl for a political statement.
Is it not a fact that the pregnant 10 year old girl has been denied abortion in Ohio? You arguing āpolitical statementā is not helping that 10 year old, and Ohio remains complicit in subjecting the 10 year old to severe risks.
No, it is not a fact. At least not according to your article or any other article that I've seen about it. The FACT is that the abortion ban does allow abortions in cases where the health of the mother is at risk. The fact is that a 10-year-old's health would be at significant risk. All this required was having a physician sign off on the risk to the mother. There is no doubt that just about any OBGYN in Ohio would have signed off on the pregnancy being a hazard to the child.
Ohio is not complicit in subjecting this girl to risks, the "Abuse Doctor" (they never state whether it's a physician) and the media is complicit in using this poor little girl to drive a narrative.
Sounds to me like the referring physician punted the problem pregnancy, and then someone went public for political reasons.
If a ten year-old delivers, I think that would be the youngest ever in the U.S.
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wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 19:26 last edited by
Sounds like āThe ten year old is giving birth with the new abortion law, not because of it.ā
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wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 19:54 last edited by
Ax, we forgive you for being roped in by this blatantly disingenuous political propaganda. Well, I can't speak for anybody else. I forgive you.
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Ax, we forgive you for being roped in by this blatantly disingenuous political propaganda. Well, I can't speak for anybody else. I forgive you.
wrote on 3 Jul 2022, 19:56 last edited by@Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Ax, we forgive you for being roped in by this blatantly disingenuous political propaganda. Well, I can't speak for anybody else. I forgive you.
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@jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@jon-nyc I read an article a few days ago that indicates a surprising number of abortions occur after child 1 was bornā¦
I can see that use case also.
Iām thinking more about the girl who had the abortion in college or grad school and goes on the have kids in her 30s.
Itās not just a use case, itās the majority.
https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2008
wrote on 4 Jul 2022, 11:10 last edited by jon-nyc 7 Apr 2022, 11:12@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@jon-nyc I read an article a few days ago that indicates a surprising number of abortions occur after child 1 was bornā¦
I can see that use case also.
Iām thinking more about the girl who had the abortion in college or grad school and goes on the have kids in her 30s.
Itās not just a use case, itās the majority.
https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2008
Certainly the modal case in my social class was as I describe. But whatever the numbers might be, the point is that it is incorrect to assume X fewer abortions will add X kids to the population in the medium term.
Often times it just swaps an unwanted pregnancy for a later, desired one.
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wrote on 4 Jul 2022, 13:06 last edited by George K 7 Apr 2022, 13:07
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wrote on 5 Jul 2022, 14:33 last edited by
Now you have more GOP elected officials saying that an under-12 young girl who became impregnated from rape would not be allowed to voluntarily terminate their pregnancies:
Among those named are Asa Hutchinson (Gov. Arkansas), Philip Gunn (Speaker of the House in Mississippi), Kristi Noem (Gov. South Dakota).
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Now you have more GOP elected officials saying that an under-12 young girl who became impregnated from rape would not be allowed to voluntarily terminate their pregnancies:
Among those named are Asa Hutchinson (Gov. Arkansas), Philip Gunn (Speaker of the House in Mississippi), Kristi Noem (Gov. South Dakota).
wrote on 5 Jul 2022, 16:10 last edited by Horace 7 May 2022, 16:11@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Now you have more GOP elected officials saying that an under-12 young girl who became impregnated from rape would not be allowed to voluntarily terminate their pregnancies:
Among those named are Asa Hutchinson (Gov. Arkansas), Philip Gunn (Speaker of the House in Mississippi), Kristi Noem (Gov. South Dakota).
ā[E]very single life ā every single life is precious,ā Noem said. āThis tragedy is horrific. I canāt even imagine. I have never had anybody in my family or myself gone through anything like this. I canāt even imagine. But, in South Dakota, the law today is that the abortions are illegal, except to save the life of the mother.ā
The governor added, āWhat I would say is, I donāt believe a tragic situation should be perpetuated by another tragedy.ā
Circling back to our recent coverage, if nothing else, thereās an unmistakable consistency to such a position: Terminating an unwanted pregnancy is wrong, the argument goes, regardless of circumstances. If that means the government will force raped 10-year-old children to proceed with unwanted pregnancies, so be it.
The question for the rest of the public is whether to vote for policymakers who espouse such a position.
Yeah, that's how that works.
