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  • 89th8 Offline
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    89th
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    The latest stats I saw said that about 78% of all gun-related deaths (not suicides) were done by someone who didn't legally own the gun. Another source said it was as high as 99% if you are just looking at criminal murder/homicides.

    In other words.....forget SCOTUS for a second. The DOJ's position that it "will continue to enforce firearm laws...to tackle the epidemic of gun violence" is great and all, but laws will not stop the "epidemic". Those committing gun-based crimes aren't really concerned with concealed carry permits.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Exactly. Just like locks only keep out honest people.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        Doctor Phibes
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        #5

        I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

        I was only joking

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          #6

          wiki

          In Brazil, all firearms are required to be registered with the minimum age for gun ownership being 25. It is generally illegal to carry a gun outside a residence, and a special permit granting the right to do so is granted to certain groups, such as law enforcement officers.

          Gun deaths by country

          Brazil — 49,436
          United States — 37,038

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
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            #7

            Maybe if you stopped allowing Brazilians into the US, you'd have less gun deaths.

            I was only joking

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #8

              Sorry, but the buck stops at SCOTUS.

              This is a glaring example why we need to A) fumigate Justice, and B) get it the hell out of D.C.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                89th8 Offline
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                89th
                wrote on last edited by 89th
                #9

                @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #10

                  Canada made the Top 30?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                    I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                    Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                    472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                    CopperC Offline
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                    Copper
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                    #11

                    @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                    Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                    I saw that, but I didn't want to rub it in.

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                      I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                      Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                      472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                      Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #12

                      @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                      I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                      Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                      472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                      Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                      Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                      I was only joking

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        #13

                        Freedom has a price.

                        Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Freedom has a price.

                          Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #14

                          @Jolly said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                          Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                          Well, yeah, if you only count the areas without gun violence, then there isn't going to be a lot of recorded gun violence.

                          Based on that logic, we could remove the top 15 nations from the list, and put the US as number 1!

                          I was only joking

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                            89th
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                            #15

                            BTW I am not ashamed to admit I googled "where is Eswatini". Figured it sounded like a Star Wars planet.

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              BTW I am not ashamed to admit I googled "where is Eswatini". Figured it sounded like a Star Wars planet.

                              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                              BTW I am not ashamed to admit I googled "where is Eswatini". Figured it sounded like a Star Wars planet.

                              It's actually a martini made with cheap Bourbon.

                              (Tastes like shithole country)

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                @Jolly said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                                Well, yeah, if you only count the areas without gun violence, then there isn't going to be a lot of recorded gun violence.

                                Based on that logic, we could remove the top 15 nations from the list, and put the US as number 1!

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                                Jolly
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                                #17

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                @Jolly said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                                Well, yeah, if you only count the areas without gun violence, then there isn't going to be a lot of recorded gun violence.

                                Based on that logic, we could remove the top 15 nations from the list, and put the US as number 1!

                                Yes, but then the violence is not a societal problem, but a very bad problem for slim sections of society.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Copper
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                                  #18

                                  2015

                                  https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Heat-map-of-gun-homicide-rate-per-10-000-population-by-county-in-the-contiguous-US-2015_fig1_337997106

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by Copper
                                    #19

                                    Those darned poor people.

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                                    https://www.brookings.edu/2022/04/21/mapping-gun-violence-a-closer-look-at-the-intersection-between-place-and-gun-homicides-in-four-cities/

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                      I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                                      Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                                      472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                                      Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                                      Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      #20

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                      @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                      I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                                      Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                                      472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                                      Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                                      Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                                      Did you know that if you take out African American vs African American gang violence, that the UK has a higher murder rate than the US? So what do you the problem is?

                                      The Brad

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                        @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                        I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                                        Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                                        472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                                        Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                                        Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                                        Did you know that if you take out African American vs African American gang violence, that the UK has a higher murder rate than the US? So what do you the problem is?

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        #21

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                        Did you know that if you take out African American vs African American gang violence, that the UK has a higher murder rate than the US?

                                        I don't doubt that for a second.

                                        Gotta source for that?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                                          Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                                          472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                                          Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                                          Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                                          Did you know that if you take out African American vs African American gang violence, that the UK has a higher murder rate than the US? So what do you the problem is?

                                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                          #22

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                                          Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                                          472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                                          Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                                          Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                                          Did you know that if you take out African American vs African American gang violence, that the UK has a higher murder rate than the US? So what do you the problem is?

                                          Did you know that if you pick all the cherries off a tree that you still have a cherry tree?

                                          If you're going to compare the two countries, you probably need to remove UK gang violence from the equation, too. Amazingly enough, Britain isn't one large homogenous mix either.

                                          Did you know that the US suicide rate is roughly double that of the UK? Which is going some if you consider the food and the weather.

                                          I was only joking

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