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  • MikM Mik

    Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

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    Aqua Letifer
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    @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

    Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

    If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

    If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

    That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

    Please love yourself.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

      Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

      If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

      If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

      That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

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      #39

      @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

      @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

      Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

      If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

      If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

      That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

      That story didn’t explain why people complained. I mean I’m not surprised they stepped on an eggshell with that merch, but I’m not sure how they messed up. But it reminds me of the cringe I felt when I saw my workplace doing a combined Pride/Juneteenth event. Someone is going to consider it tone deaf. And that person’s opinion will matter, if they choose to express it loudly.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Since the beginning of time, how many people have been slaves?

        By race

        How many have been slave owners?

        How many people today have slave ancestors?

        How many are slaves today?

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        • MikM Mik

          Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?

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          @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

          Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?

          alt text

          You know, I thought that was an exaggeration… until the last few years when I take my kids to library, it is mind-boggling how many books in the kids section and in the marquee displays, are about lesbian, gay, or trans subjects. I’m not being dramatic, I guarantee if you go to your library’s kids section tomorrow you’ll find these books within 15 seconds. Many on end cap displays. It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

            @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

            Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

            If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

            If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

            That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

            That story didn’t explain why people complained. I mean I’m not surprised they stepped on an eggshell with that merch, but I’m not sure how they messed up. But it reminds me of the cringe I felt when I saw my workplace doing a combined Pride/Juneteenth event. Someone is going to consider it tone deaf. And that person’s opinion will matter, if they choose to express it loudly.

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            @Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

            @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

            Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

            If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

            If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

            That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

            That story didn’t explain why people complained. I mean I’m not surprised they stepped on an eggshell with that merch, but I’m not sure how they messed up.

            Are you asking about the real reason why they complained? Because I'm pretty sure you know the answer to that. As for the ostensible reason, basically they claimed a corporation was trying to make money off of the centuries of suffering endured by you know the rest.

            Please love yourself.

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            • 89th8 89th

              @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

              Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?

              alt text

              You know, I thought that was an exaggeration… until the last few years when I take my kids to library, it is mind-boggling how many books in the kids section and in the marquee displays, are about lesbian, gay, or trans subjects. I’m not being dramatic, I guarantee if you go to your library’s kids section tomorrow you’ll find these books within 15 seconds. Many on end cap displays. It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

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              @89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

              It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

              Right. It's like bratty kids taking advantage of a parent's weak disciplinary measures. And what is everybody afraid of?

              I'm all for everybody being free to be. I don't have to like or approve of everything others choose to do. But what's with all the geschrei??? Like Dave Chappell said in Mik's (?) sig, why must I have it shoved down my throat 24/7?

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                @89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

                Right. It's like bratty kids taking advantage of a parent's weak disciplinary measures. And what is everybody afraid of?

                I'm all for everybody being free to be. I don't have to like or approve of everything others choose to do. But what's with all the geschrei??? Like Dave Chappell said in Mik's (?) sig, why must I have it shoved down my throat 24/7?

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                @Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                @89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

                And what is everybody afraid of?

                Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.

                Please love yourself.

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                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                  @Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                  @89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                  It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

                  And what is everybody afraid of?

                  Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.

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                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                  Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.

                  That doesn't really track. The world of employment is too complex and multi-layered. If a librarian complains about the plethora of alternative lifestyle material, she'll not only be fired but nobody else will hire her? A qualified librarian? Where's the threat to the entity which does hire her?

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                    Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?

                    alt text

                    You know, I thought that was an exaggeration… until the last few years when I take my kids to library, it is mind-boggling how many books in the kids section and in the marquee displays, are about lesbian, gay, or trans subjects. I’m not being dramatic, I guarantee if you go to your library’s kids section tomorrow you’ll find these books within 15 seconds. Many on end cap displays. It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

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                    @89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                    @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                    Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?

                    alt text

                    You know, I thought that was an exaggeration… until the last few years when I take my kids to library, it is mind-boggling how many books in the kids section and in the marquee displays, are about lesbian, gay, or trans subjects. I’m not being dramatic, I guarantee if you go to your library’s kids section tomorrow you’ll find these books within 15 seconds. Many on end cap displays. It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.

                    It's all about grooming.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                      Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.

                      That doesn't really track. The world of employment is too complex and multi-layered. If a librarian complains about the plethora of alternative lifestyle material, she'll not only be fired but nobody else will hire her? A qualified librarian? Where's the threat to the entity which does hire her?

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                      @Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                      Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.

                      That doesn't really track.

                      You're not employed right now, correct?

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                        Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.

                        That doesn't really track.

                        You're not employed right now, correct?

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                        @Aqua-Letifer Correct.

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                          @Aqua-Letifer Correct.

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                          @Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                          @Aqua-Letifer Correct.

                          Okay, well, I can only speak about my own corner of the world but it absolutely tracks. Things have gotten weird out there for some offices.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                            @Aqua-Letifer Correct.

                            Okay, well, I can only speak about my own corner of the world but it absolutely tracks. Things have gotten weird out there for some offices.

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                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                            it absolutely tracks. Things have gotten weird out there for some offices.

                            Okay, I can accept that as a possibility. It's true I'm not as in the know as I was when I was among others. I can accept anything, so matter how weird (I survived Trump, didn't I?) but it has to make sense.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            • MikM Mik

                              You might say the same about July 4.

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                              @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                              You might say the same about July 4.

                              I'm sure the Queen finds that one a real drag.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

                                As Horace said, it did not say what exactly people were upset about. But still, I cannot imagine why anyone cared that they tried to make a buck off the holiday. We as a nation need to take off the hair shirt.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Have never understood Juneteenth as a special specific day. The date of the Emancipation Proclamation, the end of the Civil War or the passage of the 13th Amendment, would seem more appropriate.

                                  When I was a lad, Juneteenth was more of a memory and generalized celebration in the black (colored at the time) community. Wasn't really a specific date, because the black community didn't have a specific date.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                    @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                    Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                    If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                    If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                    That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

                                    As Horace said, it did not say what exactly people were upset about. But still, I cannot imagine why anyone cared that they tried to make a buck off the holiday. We as a nation need to take off the hair shirt.

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                                    @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                    @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                    Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                    If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                    If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                    That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

                                    But still, I cannot imagine why anyone cared that they tried to make a buck off the holiday.

                                    Is that true? Can you really not imagine?

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      Have never understood Juneteenth as a special specific day. The date of the Emancipation Proclamation, the end of the Civil War or the passage of the 13th Amendment, would seem more appropriate.

                                      When I was a lad, Juneteenth was more of a memory and generalized celebration in the black (colored at the time) community. Wasn't really a specific date, because the black community didn't have a specific date.

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                                      @Jolly said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                      Have never understood Juneteenth as a special specific day. The date of the Emancipation Proclamation, the end of the Civil War or the passage of the 13th Amendment, would seem more appropriate.

                                      When I was a lad, Juneteenth was more of a memory and generalized celebration in the black (colored at the time) community. Wasn't really a specific date, because the black community didn't have a specific date.

                                      My friends who grew up in Texas confirm that.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                        @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                        Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                        If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                        If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                        That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

                                        But still, I cannot imagine why anyone cared that they tried to make a buck off the holiday.

                                        Is that true? Can you really not imagine?

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                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                        @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                        @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                        Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                        If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                        If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                        That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

                                        But still, I cannot imagine why anyone cared that they tried to make a buck off the holiday.

                                        Is that true? Can you really not imagine?

                                        I guess I think people should have better things to do than seek Outrage Du Jour. I suppose that's incorrect.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                          If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                          If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                          That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

                                          But still, I cannot imagine why anyone cared that they tried to make a buck off the holiday.

                                          Is that true? Can you really not imagine?

                                          I guess I think people should have better things to do than seek Outrage Du Jour. I suppose that's incorrect.

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                                          @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          @Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:

                                          Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.

                                          If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.

                                          If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html

                                          That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.

                                          But still, I cannot imagine why anyone cared that they tried to make a buck off the holiday.

                                          Is that true? Can you really not imagine?

                                          I guess I think people should have better things to do than seek Outrage Du Jour. I suppose that's incorrect.

                                          5 minutes on Twitter would help you dispel that delusion. 😄

                                          Please love yourself.

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