Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work
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@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 21:48 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
Be that as it may, it was certainly the single greatest milestone in our long march to make real the lofty ambitions of the Declaration of Independence. It is very clearly worthy of a national holiday.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 22:06 last edited by
That's hard to argue against.
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@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
Be that as it may, it was certainly the single greatest milestone in our long march to make real the lofty ambitions of the Declaration of Independence. It is very clearly worthy of a national holiday.
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 22:07 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
Be that as it may, it was certainly the single greatest milestone in our long march to make real the lofty ambitions of the Declaration of Independence. It is very clearly worthy of a national holiday.
That’s fine with me, and I am aware that millions of white Americans descend from people who risked their lives in the war to abolish slavery. Too bad the remembrance now is transparently political.
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@jon-nyc said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
Be that as it may, it was certainly the single greatest milestone in our long march to make real the lofty ambitions of the Declaration of Independence. It is very clearly worthy of a national holiday.
That’s fine with me, and I am aware that millions of white Americans descend from people who risked their lives in the war to abolish slavery. Too bad the remembrance now is transparently political.
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 22:08 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@jon-nyc said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
Be that as it may, it was certainly the single greatest milestone in our long march to make real the lofty ambitions of the Declaration of Independence. It is very clearly worthy of a national holiday.
That’s fine with me, and I am aware that millions of white Americans descend from people who risked their lives in the war to abolish slavery. Too bad the remembrance now is transparently political.
The ironic thing is that substantially all black people (save immigrants in last 50 years) are descended from people who risked their lives in the war effort which, if successful, would have retained slavery.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 22:13 last edited by
We should get shirts made expressing pride in Anglo-America for leading the world in the abolition of this ten thousand year old tradition.
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We should get shirts made expressing pride in Anglo-America for leading the world in the abolition of this ten thousand year old tradition.
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 22:14 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
We should get shirts made expressing pride in Anglo-America for leading the world in the abolition of this ten thousand year old tradition.
Douglas Murray may have a merch section of his website and if so you may find that there.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 22:25 last edited by
So, at this "virtual" event, will there be drag queens?
Will there be neon signs saying, "It's not going to lick itself?"
Will there be a video tour of BLM leaders' mansions?
Will we see leather, ball-gags?
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wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 23:01 last edited by
Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?
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@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
Be that as it may, it was certainly the single greatest milestone in our long march to make real the lofty ambitions of the Declaration of Independence. It is very clearly worthy of a national holiday.
wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 23:15 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Axtremus said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
I'd honestly never heard of Juneteenth until last year.
Years ago it used to be Kwanza that was celebrated as an African-American holiday. Then in recent years I don’t hear much about Kwanza anymore, as Juneteenth came about to commemorate the emancipation of enslaved Black Americans.
It’s politically useful to remind everybody of the shame of slavery. Not so much to remind everybody of whatever joyous culture Kwanzaa was meant to celebrate.
Be that as it may, it was certainly the single greatest milestone in our long march to make real the lofty ambitions of the Declaration of Independence. It is very clearly worthy of a national holiday.
Right but it's not exactly Christmas or the 4th of July. A lot of stuff made for Juneteenth is red. For bloodshed. I wouldn't classify it as purely celebratory.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 23:22 last edited by
You might say the same about July 4.
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wrote on 13 Jun 2022, 23:30 last edited by
@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
You might say the same about July 4.
Historically or technically speaking, you bet. In practice, not even close to the same.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 01:01 last edited by
Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 01:25 last edited by
@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html
That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.
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@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html
That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 02:04 last edited by Horace@Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html
That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.
That story didn’t explain why people complained. I mean I’m not surprised they stepped on an eggshell with that merch, but I’m not sure how they messed up. But it reminds me of the cringe I felt when I saw my workplace doing a combined Pride/Juneteenth event. Someone is going to consider it tone deaf. And that person’s opinion will matter, if they choose to express it loudly.
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wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 02:41 last edited by
Since the beginning of time, how many people have been slaves?
By race
How many have been slave owners?
How many people today have slave ancestors?
How many are slaves today?
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Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 02:58 last edited by@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?
You know, I thought that was an exaggeration… until the last few years when I take my kids to library, it is mind-boggling how many books in the kids section and in the marquee displays, are about lesbian, gay, or trans subjects. I’m not being dramatic, I guarantee if you go to your library’s kids section tomorrow you’ll find these books within 15 seconds. Many on end cap displays. It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html
That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.
That story didn’t explain why people complained. I mean I’m not surprised they stepped on an eggshell with that merch, but I’m not sure how they messed up. But it reminds me of the cringe I felt when I saw my workplace doing a combined Pride/Juneteenth event. Someone is going to consider it tone deaf. And that person’s opinion will matter, if they choose to express it loudly.
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 03:03 last edited by@Horace said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Not sure I see any substantial difference. Body count, maybe.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a 4th of July event in celebration of the holiday, no one would shit down your throat about it.
If you were Wal-Mart, and you created a Juneteenth event in celebration of the holiday, this would happen: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/business-food/walmart-juneteenth-ice-cream/index.html
That's my point. There is a massive practical difference. Not saying there should be, I'm talking about what is.
That story didn’t explain why people complained. I mean I’m not surprised they stepped on an eggshell with that merch, but I’m not sure how they messed up.
Are you asking about the real reason why they complained? Because I'm pretty sure you know the answer to that. As for the ostensible reason, basically they claimed a corporation was trying to make money off of the centuries of suffering endured by you know the rest.
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@Mik said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Only at children's story hour. My daughter's bookstore she worked at is having one. Seriously. Why in hell do children have to be exposed to this foolishness?
You know, I thought that was an exaggeration… until the last few years when I take my kids to library, it is mind-boggling how many books in the kids section and in the marquee displays, are about lesbian, gay, or trans subjects. I’m not being dramatic, I guarantee if you go to your library’s kids section tomorrow you’ll find these books within 15 seconds. Many on end cap displays. It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 03:16 last edited by@89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.
Right. It's like bratty kids taking advantage of a parent's weak disciplinary measures. And what is everybody afraid of?
I'm all for everybody being free to be. I don't have to like or approve of everything others choose to do. But what's with all the geschrei??? Like Dave Chappell said in Mik's (?) sig, why must I have it shoved down my throat 24/7?
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@89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.
Right. It's like bratty kids taking advantage of a parent's weak disciplinary measures. And what is everybody afraid of?
I'm all for everybody being free to be. I don't have to like or approve of everything others choose to do. But what's with all the geschrei??? Like Dave Chappell said in Mik's (?) sig, why must I have it shoved down my throat 24/7?
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 03:27 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.
And what is everybody afraid of?
Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.
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@Catseye3 said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
@89th said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
It’s almost like no one has the courage to say no.
And what is everybody afraid of?
Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.
wrote on 14 Jun 2022, 03:39 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Juneteenth/pride virtual event at work:
Losing their jobs and becoming subsequently unhireable for years due to the consequences of cancel culture.
That doesn't really track. The world of employment is too complex and multi-layered. If a librarian complains about the plethora of alternative lifestyle material, she'll not only be fired but nobody else will hire her? A qualified librarian? Where's the threat to the entity which does hire her?