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Tell me again who is leading on gun control?

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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #1

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-republicans-beat-the-gun-lobby-congress-hasn-t-followed/ar-AAXPOH7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f57451ec64904cbeaa96037bc0bb0a1b

    I think I'd rather see this happen on a state level anyway.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Isn't Schumer the same guy who blocked gun legislation this past week?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #3

        Yes, if the people beholden go the gun lobby choose not to be, bills can be passed.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          #4

          At this point I think the gun lobby is not as powerful as it once was and is simply used as a boogeyman to explain away failure to pass legislation.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            #5

            Sarah Isgur made an excellent point about this subject on the Advisory Opinions Podcast she hosts with David French (thanks for the tip, @jon-nyc ). She really thinks the ultimate answer to the gun-control issue (as well as many other critical stumbling blocks) is the partisan primaries. She pointed to Alaska's new non-partisan primary as an example of a system that can reduce the power of many partisan lobby groups and organizations and can actually allow progress to be made. https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_elections_in_Alaska

            The Brad

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
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              #6

              Of course, it works SO WELL in Portland.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/10-people-shot-in-10-shootings-in-24-hours-in-portland/ar-AAXR6oz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=aeeb252c2a6045db9f0aca0ce71f668a

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Yes, if the people beholden go the gun lobby choose not to be, bills can be passed.

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                @jon-nyc said in Tell me again who is leading on gun control?:

                Yes, if the people beholden go the gun lobby choose not to be, bills can be passed.

                What gun lobby?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  Sarah Isgur made an excellent point about this subject on the Advisory Opinions Podcast she hosts with David French (thanks for the tip, @jon-nyc ). She really thinks the ultimate answer to the gun-control issue (as well as many other critical stumbling blocks) is the partisan primaries. She pointed to Alaska's new non-partisan primary as an example of a system that can reduce the power of many partisan lobby groups and organizations and can actually allow progress to be made. https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_elections_in_Alaska

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Tell me again who is leading on gun control?:

                  Sarah Isgur made an excellent point about this subject on the Advisory Opinions Podcast she hosts with David French (thanks for the tip, @jon-nyc ). She really thinks the ultimate answer to the gun-control issue (as well as many other critical stumbling blocks) is the partisan primaries. She pointed to Alaska's new non-partisan primary as an example of a system that can reduce the power of many partisan lobby groups and organizations and can actually allow progress to be made. https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_elections_in_Alaska

                  We had jungle primaries for many years. It does keep down the radicals. It's also very good at squashing original thought or grass root movements.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    #9

                    I think it is fair to consider partisan primaries as a failed experiment.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • MikM Mik

                      At this point I think the gun lobby is not as powerful as it once was and is simply used as a boogeyman to explain away failure to pass legislation.

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                      #10

                      @Mik said in Tell me again who is leading on gun control?:

                      At this point I think the gun lobby is not as powerful as it once was

                      It is almost dead.

                      It's lobbying budget is maybe 1% of big tech.

                      The NRA could be bankrupt soon.

                      The hang wringing about the powerful gun lobby is a lie, or maybe just plain ignorance. But it still sells to some audiences.

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
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                        #11

                        Apparently, Ohio is considering it.

                        https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/05/31/ohio-bill-set-training-hours-staff-carrying-guns-schools/9998997002/

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          I think it is fair to consider partisan primaries as a failed experiment.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Tell me again who is leading on gun control?:

                          I think it is fair to consider partisan primaries as a failed experiment.

                          And perhaps one that continues to fail worse each year. Let's remember how close we were to a Sanders dem nominee, and of course let's remember the plurality path of Trump in 2016.

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Apparently, Ohio is considering it.

                            https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/05/31/ohio-bill-set-training-hours-staff-carrying-guns-schools/9998997002/

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                            @Mik said in Tell me again who is leading on gun control?:

                            Apparently, Ohio is considering it.

                            https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2022/05/31/ohio-bill-set-training-hours-staff-carrying-guns-schools/9998997002/

                            Arming more school staff (by lowering firearm training standard for school staff even lower) — is this what you call “leading on gun control”?

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
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                              #14

                              We've already addressed this earlier in the thread.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Axtremus
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                                It just leads me to question your definition of “gun control.”

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #16

                                  What's yours?

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    It just leads me to question your definition of “gun control.”

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                                    @Axtremus said in Tell me again who is leading on gun control?:

                                    It just leads me to question your definition of “gun control.”

                                    Weaver or Isosceles?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by Mik
                                      #18

                                      Mine is generally you hit the target in the intended location.

                                      But the real problem is illegal guns.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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