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Here’s a controversial idea

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 04:55 last edited by
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    And it would save us 21c on the dollar.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 04:58 last edited by
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      (Though someone in reply pointed to some data that suggested otherwise)

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 09:44 last edited by
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        Ever watch a female officer get her ass handed to her by a 175 pound guy?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 10:28 last edited by
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          I haven’t, but the (small n) study referenced in the comments suggested women were more likely to use deadly force against an unarmed suspect, and I suspect it’s because they end up on the wrong side of the physical disparity too often.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Klaus
            wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 10:55 last edited by
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            I agree that this would likely work, but being "less violent" when it shouldn't be violent is only one job of the police. Sometimes the police must be violent, and in those cases testosterone would be a part of the solution and not part of the problem.

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              Loki
              wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 11:31 last edited by Loki 6 Jul 2020, 11:33
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              Who says they would want the job?

              (In the numbers required. That problem already exists with black men).

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                7 Jun 2020, 09:44

                Ever watch a female officer get her ass handed to her by a 175 pound guy?

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                Larry
                wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 12:19 last edited by
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                @Jolly said in Here’s a controversial idea:

                Ever watch a female officer get her ass handed to her by a 175 pound guy?

                I've had a couple of them hand her ass to me, though...

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                  Larry
                  wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 12:21 last edited by
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                  Seriously though, the problem isnt testosterone, the problem is grey matter. If the job paid better the y could hire smarter people.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 12:33 last edited by
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                    While it could lead to some great porn, I don’t think it’s generally a good idea.

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                      Larry
                      wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 12:39 last edited by
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                      My neighbors are making a porn movie.

                      They don't know it yet, but...

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 13:22 last edited by
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                        It depends on whether you are the victim or the perp.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 13:22 last edited by
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                          Seriously though, thanks for reminding me that I’m not just evil because I’m white, but because I’m a man, too:

                          The Brad

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                            7 Jun 2020, 10:28

                            I haven’t, but the (small n) study referenced in the comments suggested women were more likely to use deadly force against an unarmed suspect, and I suspect it’s because they end up on the wrong side of the physical disparity too often.

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 14:31 last edited by Aqua Letifer 6 Jul 2020, 14:33
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                            @jon-nyc said in Here’s a controversial idea:

                            I haven’t, but the (small n) study referenced in the comments suggested women were more likely to use deadly force against an unarmed suspect, and I suspect it’s because they end up on the wrong side of the physical disparity too often.

                            In my Wing Chun classes, when we'd work together, it was always the older student's responsibility to keep both him and his partner safe. Always. You have more experience, it's on you to protect both of you. That wasn't exclusive to us, it's a common practice.

                            If you're a cop, you have weapons and the law on your side. YES it's your responsibility to keep things safe between you and the public. Always. So my idea is, I don't care how understaffed your department is, you get training for 8 hours a week, every week until you retire.

                            Please love yourself.

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 14:37 last edited by
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                              The SF PD is hiring. I like the four models.

                              https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/published-reports/demographics

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                7 Jun 2020, 10:28

                                I haven’t, but the (small n) study referenced in the comments suggested women were more likely to use deadly force against an unarmed suspect, and I suspect it’s because they end up on the wrong side of the physical disparity too often.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 16:01 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc said in Here’s a controversial idea:

                                I haven’t, but the (small n) study referenced in the comments suggested women were more likely to use deadly force against an unarmed suspect, and I suspect it’s because they end up on the wrong side of the physical disparity too often.

                                I’ve also read that they wind up being quicker to go to the taser and pepper spray...

                                The Brad

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                                  Catseye3
                                  wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 16:16 last edited by Catseye3 6 Jul 2020, 16:18
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                                  I'm with LuFin; it's not a good idea. The cop-badguy psychology is all wrong. That itself will likely lead to undesirable escalations. And male cops won't respect them unless they're forced to, which amounts to no respect anyway.

                                  Same like with women warfighters. The natural inclination of men to protect women leads to the men's attention being split in the theater -- a place that's already maximumly dangerous.

                                  Resentment all around.

                                  Not to mention women don't have the physical strength. Not on a day-to-day basis. Women so inclined don't like to hear that, but truth is truth.

                                  Women don't have to bloody be included in everything on earth. I can see a women's sector on the cops, encompassing duties that are more of a supportive kind. But of course the women wannabes won't stand for that.

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 16:22 last edited by
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                                    You couldn't do it with white women

                                    Asian women maybe

                                    Asian women that don't speak English

                                    They let the Taser and pepper spray do their talking

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