Texas shooting.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:06 last edited by
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
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The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:08 last edited by George K@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?
Because criminals gotta criminal.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?
Because criminals gotta criminal.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:10 last edited by@George-K said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?
Because criminals gotta criminal.
I just don’t think the argument will play. As for whether regulations would make a difference in school shootings in practice, they are rare enough that it would be impossible to say. They would still happen.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:20 last edited by
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
It's the willingness to use them to take life that's the problem.
That’s specifically what guns are designed to do.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:29 last edited by Mik
Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
Pretty picky for a guy who doesn’t know the technical details.
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Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
Pretty picky for a guy who doesn’t know the technical details.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:32 last edited by@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
I’m making a point about so many people seeing guns a something they want to own, collect and what have you. From some perspectives it looks a bit weird. Their primary and really sole purpose is to kill things.
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@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
I’m making a point about so many people seeing guns a something they want to own, collect and what have you. From some perspectives it looks a bit weird. Their primary and really sole purpose is to kill things.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:38 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
I’m making a point about so many people seeing guns a something they want to own, collect and what have you. From some perspectives it looks a bit weird. Their primary and really sole purpose is to kill things.
Ok, how does that differ from those that collect swords, bows, etc...?
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:39 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
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Mental illness laws wouldn’t have helped in this case either.
It’s easy to say someone was mentally ill after doing something like this. But for every million weird, loner kids only 1 may actually do something like this.
I don’t see how you preemptively pick them out.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:49 last edited by@xenon said in Texas shooting.:
Mental illness laws wouldn’t have helped in this case either.
It’s easy to say someone was mentally ill after doing something like this. But for every million weird, loner kids only 1 may actually do something like this.
I don’t see how you preemptively pick them out.
They might have.
This kid had some issues. He'd been involved in several fights at school and if what I'm reading is correct, he'd quit school shortly before graduation.
Maybe he quit because he wasn't going to graduate? Why was he involved in multiple fights?
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Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:50 last edited by@89th said in Texas shooting.:
Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
Those aren't bad and they are probably workable.
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The nationwide public service campaign to quit smoking launched by the feds (maybe in private-public partnership) was pretty successful. Maybe something like that, to get the public on board. It couldn't be done by the feds, but maybe something like that sponsored by a collection of private and/or corporate monies would yield some results.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 20:06 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Texas shooting.:
The nationwide public service campaign to quit smoking launched by the feds (maybe in private-public partnership) was pretty successful. Maybe something like that, to get the public on board. It couldn't be done by the feds, but maybe something like that sponsored by a collection of private and/or corporate monies would yield some results.
I'm going to riff off of this, but it's going to be in an unusual way...
I've carried a rifle to school many times. Used to run our Outdoor Ed Club trapline that started across the road from our rural school. I'd go down to my car at 2nd hour, shrug into some light coveralls, grab my .22 and walk across the school grounds. The rule was I couldn't load until I crossed the road into the woods.
That was another time and day. The difference is that today guns have acquired a mystique and yes, we didn't play games back then where we mowed people down indiscriminately.then
Perhaps we need to do a few things that some would consider outrageous. May-be, we need to introduce gun safety programs into school. May-be we need to quit glamorizing death, both through the first-shooter games and body-count action movies that kids see...May-be, we need to require an adult lock on R rated movies.
May-be, we need to bring rifle programs back to school. May-be, we need to emphasize ROTC programs in high schools, with the levels of responsibility and accountability those programs have embedded in their core.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 21:55 last edited by
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 21:57 last edited by@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
Adopt Japan's screening process. I'm as serious about that as I'm sure you're going to get high blood pressure over anything even within the ballpark of gun control.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 22:15 last edited by
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
There may be more to blame than guns here.
I wonder to what degree officers are expected to put themselves in a direct line of danger in order to stop an existing crime. I suspect these sorts of things are delineated somewhere. Which is not to say individuals or groups of officers might choose to act more like their movie counterparts, but that's probably not in the job description.
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wrote on 27 May 2022, 00:35 last edited by Renauda
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
There may be more to blame than guns here.
Police have their own strict rules of engagement and protocols in instances like this. Those protocols may not fit what the public wants in the heat of the moment or facilitate outcomes that please the public and politicians. I am sure the police did the very best they could under the circumstances with the information they had at the time.
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
Adopt Japan's screening process. I'm as serious about that as I'm sure you're going to get high blood pressure over anything even within the ballpark of gun control.
wrote on 27 May 2022, 03:29 last edited by Jolly@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
Adopt Japan's screening process. I'm as serious about that as I'm sure you're going to get high blood pressure over anything even within the ballpark of gun control.
Do you think that's going to fly in America? Even on the Left side of the political aisle?
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wrote on 27 May 2022, 12:26 last edited by
The cops handcuffed a mom trying to save her kid.
https://reason.com/2022/05/26/uvalde-shooting-texas-cops-handcuff-parents-killer/
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
Adopt Japan's screening process. I'm as serious about that as I'm sure you're going to get high blood pressure over anything even within the ballpark of gun control.
Do you think that's going to fly in America? Even on the Left side of the political aisle?
wrote on 27 May 2022, 12:38 last edited by@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
Adopt Japan's screening process. I'm as serious about that as I'm sure you're going to get high blood pressure over anything even within the ballpark of gun control.
Do you think that's going to fly in America? Even on the Left side of the political aisle?
I'm personally done with schools getting shot up. Since that's currently "what flies," fuck what flies. You don't get to be precious about cultural norms that habitually lead to kids getting gunned down. I don't care how "rare" Patrick Bateman over there thinks it is.
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wrote on 27 May 2022, 13:17 last edited by
The NRA and its huge convention in Texas this weekend:
The NRA said in a statement this week that the shooting "was the act of a lone, deranged criminal."
"As we gather in Houston, we will reflect on these events, pray for the victims, recognize our patriotic members, and pledge to redouble our commitment to making our schools secure," it said.
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While the NRA has advocated for more "good guys with guns" as the best way to stop mass shooters, guns are banned in the convention center's assembly hall Friday because of Trump's presence. The NRA said that according to the Secret Service magnetometers will be on-site and that “firearms, firearm accessories, knives, and other items WILL NOT BE PERMITTED in the General Assembly Hall.”
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.
Adopt Japan's screening process. I'm as serious about that as I'm sure you're going to get high blood pressure over anything even within the ballpark of gun control.
Do you think that's going to fly in America? Even on the Left side of the political aisle?
I'm personally done with schools getting shot up. Since that's currently "what flies," fuck what flies. You don't get to be precious about cultural norms that habitually lead to kids getting gunned down. I don't care how "rare" Patrick Bateman over there thinks it is.
wrote on 27 May 2022, 13:20 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
I'm personally done with schools getting shot up. Since that's currently "what flies," fuck what flies. You don't get to be precious about cultural norms that habitually lead to kids getting gunned down. I don't care how "rare" Patrick Bateman over there thinks it is.
Pretty sure everyone is done with schools getting shot up.
I've seen plenty of friends do the typical post-horrible event reaction of posting on social media about "enough is enough" without really offering ideas. Saw the same thing after George Floyd. What will they do, though? Probably nothing...probably vote the same way in November.
School shootings are incredibly rare, despite what the media might make society believe. Further, most of the shootings would happen regardless of the "solutions" I've seen thrown around. Yes it's natural to be upset (with a 1 and 4 year old, believe me, it hits harder now) and want to do something. But let's be pragmatic about what should be done, then can it be done, what effect it'll have... then let's go for it.
Kids are 40-100x more likely to die heading to school than in school. I saw a friend saying he is so stressed about his kid being in school now... was he not stressed about the significantly higher likelihood of his kid being killed going TO school?
Anyway... the USA isn't unique, either. Per capita I think countries like Norway and France have substantially higher rates of mass shooting fatalities.
