If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:09 last edited by
@Horace said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Would you
kneelstand up and put your hand over your heart? Assume all of your coworkers werekneelingstanding up and putting their hands over their hearts.Once you see the question in the normalized form, it should be obvious that Phibes and xenon have the right answer.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:11 last edited by
Well, aside from here, are any of you really even discussing this on traditional social media? I’m sure as hell not.
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Well, aside from here, are any of you really even discussing this on traditional social media? I’m sure as hell not.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:14 last edited by xenon 6 Jun 2020, 20:15@LuFins-Dad I’ll go as far as my WhatsApp extended family group.
That’s the worst part of all this.
I want to say stupid and wrong things and be corrected, not cancelled.
I want to try and persuade others without my motives coming into question.
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@LuFins-Dad I’ll go as far as my WhatsApp extended family group.
That’s the worst part of all this.
I want to say stupid and wrong things and be corrected, not cancelled.
I want to try and persuade others without my motives coming into question.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:18 last edited by@xenon even posting a sincere statistical analysis showing that per criminal arrest that African Americans are no more likely to have a violent encounter with police than other races will cost you an awful lot.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:26 last edited by
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
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We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
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Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:30 last edited by@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:44 last edited by xenon 6 Jun 2020, 20:45@Copper With all due respect, Copper - I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about.
My family history is littered with people who have been on the losing side national wars. I’ve had extended family members simply disappear because of the state (within the past 30 years). I have an appreciation of the actual cost of living under illiberal regimes.
It’s a privilege to even have a country to fight for.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:57 last edited by
I know exactly what I am talking about, I am commenting on your behavior.
I know nothing about your family.
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We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:59 last edited by@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
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I know exactly what I am talking about, I am commenting on your behavior.
I know nothing about your family.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:27 last edited by
I would choose to stay home and live off of my CARES act payments for four months.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:40 last edited by
@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper you know nothing about my behavior either.
It is quoted above, go take a look.
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@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:42 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
The flag, the anthem and the military are different things, of course they are not equated.
They all represent and are symbols of the same thing, us, our country. And for that reason deserve respect.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper you know nothing about my behavior either.
It is quoted above, go take a look.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:58 last edited by
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@xenon it is
This is silly. Quote it
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:00 last edited by
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
You wrote it
and I did quoted itit begins with
Forced etiquette
and ends with
rituals
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@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
You wrote it
and I did quoted itit begins with
Forced etiquette
and ends with
rituals
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:36 last edited by
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
I said what I feel in the original post on this subject.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
That is exactly what your post sounded like, the classic spoiled millennial.
What you do during the playing of the national anthem has nothing to do with it.
That has nothing to do with whether either of us participate in any social norms.
You really have trouble following a topic.