Robert E Lee
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@Jolly said in Robert E Lee:
BTW, are there any monuments to slave owners just because they were slave owners, anywhere in the U.S.?
I sure hope not, though I have not done a survey of all monuments or read any such survey (should one exist) to say one way or another.
It seems the removal or statues/monuments are aimed at the statues/monuments memorializing those who own owned slaves and/or actively opposed emancipation, regardless of the reasons of memorialization at the time.
Specifically for the case of Robert E. Lee, though, certainly the General was memorialized chiefly for his work of fighting against the pro-emancipation forces, wouldn’t you agree?
wrote on 8 Jun 2020, 16:55 last edited by@Axtremus said in Robert E Lee:
It seems the removal or statues/monuments are aimed at the statues/monuments memorializing those who own owned slaves and/or actively opposed emancipation, regardless of the reasons of memorialization at the time.
Why bother?
The slave owners will eventually come back to power.
And they will just put the statues back up.
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@Axtremus said in Robert E Lee:
It seems the removal or statues/monuments are aimed at the statues/monuments memorializing those who own owned slaves and/or actively opposed emancipation, regardless of the reasons of memorialization at the time.
Why bother?
The slave owners will eventually come back to power.
And they will just put the statues back up.
wrote on 8 Jun 2020, 17:00 last edited byCopper said: "The slave owners will eventually come back to power. And they will just put the statues back up."
Yeah, that's always my final thought after I finish gnashing: "God, I hope they're storing these things somewhere safe . . . "
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wrote on 9 Jun 2020, 13:41 last edited by
London mayor Sadiq Khan has ordered a review of the capital's statues and street names after the toppling of the statue of an English slave trader by anti-racism protesters triggered a debate about the demons of Britain's imperial past.
A statue of Edward Colston, who made a fortune in the 17th century from trading West African slaves, was torn down and thrown into Bristol harbour on Sunday by a group of demonstrators taking part in a wave of protests following the death of George Floyd in the United States.
Khan said a commission would review statues, plaques and street names which largely reflect the rapid expansion of London's wealth and power at the height of Britain's empire in the reign of Queen Victoria.
"Our capital’s diversity is our greatest strength, yet our statues, road names and public spaces reflect a bygone era," Khan said. He said some statues would be removed.
"It is an uncomfortable truth that our nation and city owes a large part of its wealth to its role in the slave trade and while this is reflected in our public realm, the contribution of many of our communities to life in our capital has been wilfully ignored."
In the biggest deportation in known history, weapons and gunpowder from Europe were swapped for millions of African slaves who were then shipped across the Atlantic to the Americas. Ships returned to Europe with sugar, cotton and tobacco.
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wrote on 9 Jun 2020, 15:32 last edited by
Next thing you know they’ll rename Yale University.
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wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 10:49 last edited by
https://lite.cnn.com/en/article/h_82065b00212d320b466da6898609a2e7
Richmond judge blocks the state's removal of Robert E Lee statue.
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wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 14:30 last edited by
Mohammad owned slaves.
Maybe it’s time to raze those mosques....
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wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 14:31 last edited by
MLK had totally deprecated views on homosexuality. Can’t even imagine what he might have thought about women with penises and men who menstruate.
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MLK had totally deprecated views on homosexuality. Can’t even imagine what he might have thought about women with penises and men who menstruate.
wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 16:15 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:
MLK had totally deprecated views on homosexuality. Can’t even imagine what he might have thought about women with penises and men who menstruate.
I thought his views were straight forward and Biblical. As with most things today, the LGBTQXYRZ community is engaged in higher forms of pretzel logic, claiming King was A-O-tay with homosexuality.
I thought Martin Luther actually said it better... " The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. "
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wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 16:19 last edited by
This all started when we let the queers out.......,
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wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 17:02 last edited by
Athens in the 5th century BC?
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@jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:
MLK had totally deprecated views on homosexuality. Can’t even imagine what he might have thought about women with penises and men who menstruate.
I thought his views were straight forward and Biblical. As with most things today, the LGBTQXYRZ community is engaged in higher forms of pretzel logic, claiming King was A-O-tay with homosexuality.
I thought Martin Luther actually said it better... " The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. "
wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 17:48 last edited by@Jolly said in Robert E Lee:
@jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:
MLK had totally deprecated views on homosexuality. Can’t even imagine what he might have thought about women with penises and men who menstruate.
I thought his views were straight forward and Biblical. As with most things today, the LGBTQXYRZ community is engaged in higher forms of pretzel logic, claiming King was A-O-tay with homosexuality.
I thought Martin Luther actually said it better... " The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. "
He went on to say:
"They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".
Oh silly me, he wasn't talking about homosexuals here, but about the Jews. Thank God nobody in Germany picked up on this sort of talk.
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@Jolly said in Robert E Lee:
@jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:
MLK had totally deprecated views on homosexuality. Can’t even imagine what he might have thought about women with penises and men who menstruate.
I thought his views were straight forward and Biblical. As with most things today, the LGBTQXYRZ community is engaged in higher forms of pretzel logic, claiming King was A-O-tay with homosexuality.
I thought Martin Luther actually said it better... " The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. "
He went on to say:
"They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".
Oh silly me, he wasn't talking about homosexuals here, but about the Jews. Thank God nobody in Germany picked up on this sort of talk.
wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 18:01 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Robert E Lee:
@Jolly said in Robert E Lee:
@jon-nyc said in Robert E Lee:
MLK had totally deprecated views on homosexuality. Can’t even imagine what he might have thought about women with penises and men who menstruate.
I thought his views were straight forward and Biblical. As with most things today, the LGBTQXYRZ community is engaged in higher forms of pretzel logic, claiming King was A-O-tay with homosexuality.
I thought Martin Luther actually said it better... " The vice of the Sodomites is an unparalleled enormity. It departs from the natural passion and desire, planted into nature by God, according to which the male has a passionate desire for the female. "
He went on to say:
"They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and "these poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[W]e are at fault in not slaying them".
Oh silly me, he wasn't talking about homosexuals here, but about the Jews. Thank God nobody in Germany picked up on this sort of talk.
Do try to keep things straight, Phibby.
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wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 18:09 last edited by
It all started when we started letting Brits in.....
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wrote on 10 Jun 2020, 20:32 last edited by
Rum, sodomy and the lash, baby.
Not necessarily in that order.
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So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years. I was texting with my 3 buddies and they were shocked to hear that I thought the removal was a shame, and they also thought that “Lee decided to defend slavery, period” whereas my position is he was dedicated to his state, and he (and most who died in the war) deserve to have their dedication to their state honored.
Our text chain went on for a while, and we made a number of additional points (opinions and facts) but I’m curious.... your thoughts on Lee in the context of his legacy and history?
wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 18:24 last edited by@89th said in Robert E Lee:
So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years.
https://www.quotes.net/quote/15082
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeAmerican general who led the Confederate Armies in the American Civil War (1807-1870)
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@89th said in Robert E Lee:
So in Richmond, VA they are removing a Robert E Lee statue that has stood for 130+ years.
https://www.quotes.net/quote/15082
“There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeAmerican general who led the Confederate Armies in the American Civil War (1807-1870)
wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 18:34 last edited by@Copper “There is a terrible war coming, and these young men who have never seen war cannot wait for it to happen, but I tell you, I wish that I owned every slave in the South, for I would free them all to avoid this war.
Robert E. LeeThanks, Copper
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wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 19:10 last edited by
Regarding this quote of Gen. Lee's that Copper just posted, I wonder if it would be worth spreading it about in social media. It has a lot of power, and it could raise some consciousness.
There has to be some meeting of the minds. We can't snipe at each other forever. This could be a good way to begin.
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Regarding this quote of Gen. Lee's that Copper just posted, I wonder if it would be worth spreading it about in social media. It has a lot of power, and it could raise some consciousness.
There has to be some meeting of the minds. We can't snipe at each other forever. This could be a good way to begin.
wrote on 11 Jun 2020, 19:13 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Robert E Lee:
We can't snipe at each other forever
Oh yea???
It's been 17+ years since OCR and we're still going strong.
