Roe Overturned?
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@George-K said in Roe Overturned?:
In France: "Several reforms took place in the 21st century, further liberalizing access to abortion. The ten-week limit was extended to the twelfth week in 2001, and it was extended to fourteen weeks in 2022. Also since 2001, minor girls no longer need mandatory parental consent. A pregnant girl under the age of 18 may ask for an abortion without consulting her parents first if she is accompanied to the clinic by an adult of her choice, who must not tell her parents or any third party about the abortion. Until 2015, the law imposed a seven-day "cool-off" period between the patient's first request for an abortion and a written statement confirming her decision (the delay could be reduced to two days if the patient was getting close to 12 weeks). That mandatory waiting period was abolished on 9 April 2015."
France is still more restrictive than Florida, LOL.
BTW, the Age of Consent in France is 15.
15.
wrote on 4 May 2022, 14:58 last edited by Doctor Phibes 5 Apr 2022, 14:58@Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:
BTW, the Age of Consent in France is 15.
15.
So, like a year older than half the US.
Incidentally, you can get married at 12 in Massachusetts with parental consent.
But not have sex, apparently.
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@Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:
BTW, the Age of Consent in France is 15.
15.
So, like a year older than half the US.
Incidentally, you can get married at 12 in Massachusetts with parental consent.
But not have sex, apparently.
wrote on 4 May 2022, 15:01 last edited byThe USA is generally more conservative than Western Europe when it comes to sex. For instance, here in the USA we still cannot show uncovered sexual organs on public television.
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The USA is generally more conservative than Western Europe when it comes to sex. For instance, here in the USA we still cannot show uncovered sexual organs on public television.
wrote on 4 May 2022, 15:03 last edited by@Axtremus said in Roe Overturned?:
The USA is generally more conservative than Western Europe when it comes to sex. For instance, here in the USA we still cannot show uncovered sexual organs on public television.
I've heard there's plenty online if you know where to look.
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@Axtremus said in Roe Overturned?:
The USA is generally more conservative than Western Europe when it comes to sex. For instance, here in the USA we still cannot show uncovered sexual organs on public television.
I've heard there's plenty online if you know where to look.
wrote on 4 May 2022, 15:09 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Roe Overturned?:
@Axtremus said in Roe Overturned?:
The USA is generally more conservative than Western Europe when it comes to sex. For instance, here in the USA we still cannot show uncovered sexual organs on public television.
I've heard there's plenty online if you know where to look.
spoiler alert
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 20:43 last edited by
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 03:00 last edited by
@George-K said in Roe Overturned?:
The gentlewoman from Washington is unclear on the concept of what the court does:
Is there a way to open a tweet without the Twitter "sign up or log in" pop-up that prevents viewing it?
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 03:15 last edited by
Funny, that happens on my computer. It does not happen on my tablet or phone.
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 03:17 last edited by
@Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:
Funny, that happens on my computer. It does not happen on my tablet or phone.
Yeah same here.
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 06:27 last edited by
Wouldn't overturning Roe be pretty bad for the GOP? Wouldn't many moderates be drawn back to the left?
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 10:10 last edited by jon-nyc 5 May 2022, 10:13
It’s a net loser for the GOP electorally. Although polling is very sensitive to phrasing, it can be safely said that most people are uncomfortable with abortion in general but want it to be legal in early stages. Outright bans are going to be unpopular and the edge cases (e.g. rape victims, doomed pregnancies etc forced to carry to term) are going to get a lot of play in the media.
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 11:08 last edited by
Yes, that's what I'd also assume. Some strict "pro-life"'s would be happy, but they would have voted for the GOP anyway.
If I were the GOP, I'd consider to now take a "abortion legal within first trimester, afterwards only in very restricted set of circumstances (danger to the life of the mother etc.)" middle ground. They'd be the voice of reason.
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 11:36 last edited by
I think what Jon may be missing, is that it isn't going to matter a lot in the blue states or much in the red states. Purple states will be where things are the most contentious.
And while it certainly will be an issue, I think the economy will override it as the driving force in contested districts.
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It’s a net loser for the GOP electorally. Although polling is very sensitive to phrasing, it can be safely said that most people are uncomfortable with abortion in general but want it to be legal in early stages. Outright bans are going to be unpopular and the edge cases (e.g. rape victims, doomed pregnancies etc forced to carry to term) are going to get a lot of play in the media.
wrote on 5 May 2022, 13:11 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
It’s a net loser for the GOP electorally. Although polling is very sensitive to phrasing, it can be safely said that most people are uncomfortable with abortion in general but want it to be legal in early stages. Outright bans are going to be unpopular and the edge cases (e.g. rape victims, doomed pregnancies etc forced to carry to term) are going to get a lot of play in the media.
Agree. Look at the Fox News poll posted earlier in this forum thread. Over 60% were said to favor the Supreme court taking no action. I think that Fox News generally is more conservative, so a pretty reliable number I think on an issue like this.
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Yes, that's what I'd also assume. Some strict "pro-life"'s would be happy, but they would have voted for the GOP anyway.
If I were the GOP, I'd consider to now take a "abortion legal within first trimester, afterwards only in very restricted set of circumstances (danger to the life of the mother etc.)" middle ground. They'd be the voice of reason.
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@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
It’s a net loser for the GOP electorally. Although polling is very sensitive to phrasing, it can be safely said that most people are uncomfortable with abortion in general but want it to be legal in early stages. Outright bans are going to be unpopular and the edge cases (e.g. rape victims, doomed pregnancies etc forced to carry to term) are going to get a lot of play in the media.
Agree. Look at the Fox News poll posted earlier in this forum thread. Over 60% were said to favor the Supreme court taking no action. I think that Fox News generally is more conservative, so a pretty reliable number I think on an issue like this.
wrote on 5 May 2022, 13:15 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Roe Overturned?:
@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
It’s a net loser for the GOP electorally. Although polling is very sensitive to phrasing, it can be safely said that most people are uncomfortable with abortion in general but want it to be legal in early stages. Outright bans are going to be unpopular and the edge cases (e.g. rape victims, doomed pregnancies etc forced to carry to term) are going to get a lot of play in the media.
Agree. Look at the Fox News poll posted earlier in this forum thread. Over 60% were said to favor the Supreme court taking no action. I think that Fox News generally is more conservative, so a pretty reliable number I think on an issue like this.
Fox News polls typically generate more liberal numbers than many other polls.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 15:13 last edited by
Another indicator - ask Mitch McConnell a question about abortion and you’ll get an answer about inflation.
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 18:26 last edited by
OK. I don't get to fuck you. You win.
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Another indicator - ask Mitch McConnell a question about abortion and you’ll get an answer about inflation.
wrote on 5 May 2022, 18:29 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
Another indicator - ask Mitch McConnell a question about abortion and you’ll get an answer about inflation.
Mitch is very good at manipulating rules in the Senate. I don't think he's nearly that good in predictive politics.
If the economy is not good, I just don't see the overturn of Roe being a bellwether issue come midterms...
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wrote on 5 May 2022, 21:00 last edited by
An additional leak, an illustration, from the scotus opinion.
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wrote on 6 May 2022, 13:03 last edited by
@Copper said in Roe Overturned?:
An additional leak, an illustration, from the scotus opinion.
I know it was a joke, but this really is why there is a divide. For me, I cannot NOT see the fetus as another human being (which I think it obviously is), so it's hard for me to understand the position (and honestly, the passion) that it should be legal to end that separate, growing, human life.
Regardless of my opinion, I'd imagine the appropriate legality (whether at the state or federal level) would be that abortion is allowed before there is a beating heart (around 6-8 weeks) or at the worst before the 2nd trimester, and only otherwise allowed for health risks to the mother, child, or unviable pregnancies.