Roe Overturned?
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@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
All they’re doing is putting it back in the purview of the Democratic (sic) process (which she has always been hostile to, and designed the CFPB specifically to be isolated from it).
FIFY, LOL - damn you, autocorrect.
“Extremist” would have been finding a right to life in the “penumbra” of the constitution and outlawing abortion nationwide.
"Among these rights are the right to life, liberty..."
Not in the Constitution, but, you get my point. The right to life is "self-evident" according to
FranklinJefferson. The question is when does "life" begin?In today's environment, perhaps the appropriate question is "When does 'self-sustaining' life begin."
It's the "where do you draw the line" question we, and others, have been debating forever. It's a ferociously difficult question to answer without being an "extremist" at either end. And the answer to that has changed over the decades. Back in the day, 30 weeks would have been the answer. Then, 28. What is it now?
wrote on 4 May 2022, 00:50 last edited by@George-K said in Roe Overturned?:
@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
All they’re doing is putting it back in the purview of the Democratic (sic) process (which she has always been hostile to, and designed the CFPB specifically to be isolated from it).
FIFY, LOL - damn you, autocorrect.
“Extremist” would have been finding a right to life in the “penumbra” of the constitution and outlawing abortion nationwide.
"Among these rights are the right to life, liberty..."
Not in the Constitution, but, you get my point. The right to life is "self-evident" according to
FranklinJefferson. The question is when does "life" begin?In today's environment, perhaps the appropriate question is "When does 'self-sustaining' life begin."
It's the "where do you draw the line" question we, and others, have been debating forever. It's a ferociously difficult question to answer without being an "extremist" at either end. And the answer to that has changed over the decades. Back in the day, 30 weeks would have been the answer. Then, 28. What is it now?
Pretty close to 22, I think ...
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 00:56 last edited by
Just saw Ingraham on Tucker. She was a SCOTUS clerk.
She said on the first day of work, the Chief Justice spoke to all of the new clerks. What was emphasized, again and again, was that you do not talk about what goes on behind closed doors at the court. Rheinquist assured them, anybody breaking that rule, would never, ever, work in the American legal system.
Whoever leaked this needs to spend a long time in Leavenworth.
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Just saw Ingraham on Tucker. She was a SCOTUS clerk.
She said on the first day of work, the Chief Justice spoke to all of the new clerks. What was emphasized, again and again, was that you do not talk about what goes on behind closed doors at the court. Rheinquist assured them, anybody breaking that rule, would never, ever, work in the American legal system.
Whoever leaked this needs to spend a long time in Leavenworth.
wrote on 4 May 2022, 01:00 last edited by George K 5 Apr 2022, 01:01@Jolly ...
Interesting. There are some (Turley, if I remember correctly) that this was an illegal act, and deserves prosecution.
On a more basic level, you have to wonder....
"Oh, you're the
guyperson who leaked the SCOTUS decision!"Do you
- Refuse to hire him/her because he's untrustworthy
- Snap him/her up because he fits your ideology
Edited to correct insensitive use of pronouns.
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 01:03 last edited by
Big Jim on cell block C don't care about your pronouns...
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 01:04 last edited by
@Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:
Big Jim on cell block C don't care about your pronouns...
"You wanna be da husband o' you wanna be da wife?"
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 02:33 last edited by Jolly 5 Apr 2022, 02:34
Interesting...
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Interesting...
wrote on 4 May 2022, 02:55 last edited by@Jolly said in Roe Overturned?:
Interesting...
No problem.
If the legislators of California want to do that, it’s fine. Let the taxpayers fund it instead of police. Otherwise just raise taxes even more.
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@George-K said in Roe Overturned?:
Fauxahonatas
rantsspeaks:.
All they’re doing is putting it back in the purview of the Democratic process (which she has always been hostile to, and designed the CFPB specifically to be isolated from it).
“Extremist” would have been finding a right to life in the “penumbra” of the constitution and outlawing abortion nationwide.
wrote on 4 May 2022, 12:21 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Roe Overturned?:
All they’re doing is putting it back in the purview of the Democratic process (which she has always been hostile to, and designed the CFPB specifically to be isolated from it).
“Extremist” would have been finding a right to life in the “penumbra” of the constitution and outlawing abortion nationwide.
QFT.
I saw Warren's outrage*. Really, she's acting like SCOTUS just enacted a law. Like you said, all they're doing is moving it back to the states to decide. It's bizarre... state (and federal) legislatures have passed a billion laws that control what you can or can't do, whether it's with your body or someone else's, and in the case of abortion, both.
Like I said before, some see the act of abortion as killing a human life (so it's understandable why they want it illegal) and others see abortion as a woman controlling her reproductive organs (so it's understandable why they want the government uninvolved).
Personally, I see it as the former but also understand there are scenarios where it should be legal, such as when there's a health risk to the mother or, tragically, when there is an unviable fetus (e.g., at 20 weeks) that would be required to carry to term, even if the heartbeat is already gone. Hence, why I think state governments should decide what legality they want in their state... this also brings the democratic representation closer to the individual voter, btw.
*outrage... really she reminds me of a library who is fed up finding books not put back on the return cart
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 12:40 last edited by
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 12:41 last edited by
He's a "Catholic," so, I guess the use of the word "child" is correct for him to use.
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 13:08 last edited by
He's less Catholic than I am...
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 13:26 last edited by
Side question, if congress tries (and somehow succeeds) to legislate abortion rights, would SCOTUS eventually declare it unconstitutional anyway?
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Side question, if congress tries (and somehow succeeds) to legislate abortion rights, would SCOTUS eventually declare it unconstitutional anyway?
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 13:29 last edited by
AnSwEr ThE hYpOThEtIcAl!!!!!!!1111111
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 13:45 last edited by
Amazon said they'd reimburse travel for employees who need certain kinds of medical procedures.
Uber and Lyft already pay legal fees for employees in Texas who get sued for having an abortion.
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 13:46 last edited by
Did Schumer get his vote yesterday?
If it’s legislated on a National level, there are two possible outcomes:
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Our abortion laws ping pong every 4-6 years as Congress passes hands between the two parties or….
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We become a single issue nation with our National Elections based on the marketing war between pro-life and pro-choice advocates.
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 14:18 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Apr 2022, 14:18
@89th said in Roe Overturned?:
AnSwEr ThE hYpOThEtIcAl!!!!!!!1111111
They could but they’d have to read the definition of when life begins into the constitution.
They’d also seem fairly ridiculous after having just written 60 pages on why the issue belongs in the democratic process.
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 14:27 last edited by
In France: "Several reforms took place in the 21st century, further liberalizing access to abortion. The ten-week limit was extended to the twelfth week in 2001, and it was extended to fourteen weeks in 2022. Also since 2001, minor girls no longer need mandatory parental consent. A pregnant girl under the age of 18 may ask for an abortion without consulting her parents first if she is accompanied to the clinic by an adult of her choice, who must not tell her parents or any third party about the abortion. Until 2015, the law imposed a seven-day "cool-off" period between the patient's first request for an abortion and a written statement confirming her decision (the delay could be reduced to two days if the patient was getting close to 12 weeks). That mandatory waiting period was abolished on 9 April 2015."
France is still more restrictive than Florida, LOL.
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In France: "Several reforms took place in the 21st century, further liberalizing access to abortion. The ten-week limit was extended to the twelfth week in 2001, and it was extended to fourteen weeks in 2022. Also since 2001, minor girls no longer need mandatory parental consent. A pregnant girl under the age of 18 may ask for an abortion without consulting her parents first if she is accompanied to the clinic by an adult of her choice, who must not tell her parents or any third party about the abortion. Until 2015, the law imposed a seven-day "cool-off" period between the patient's first request for an abortion and a written statement confirming her decision (the delay could be reduced to two days if the patient was getting close to 12 weeks). That mandatory waiting period was abolished on 9 April 2015."
France is still more restrictive than Florida, LOL.
wrote on 4 May 2022, 14:33 last edited by@George-K said in Roe Overturned?:
In France: "Several reforms took place in the 21st century, further liberalizing access to abortion. The ten-week limit was extended to the twelfth week in 2001, and it was extended to fourteen weeks in 2022. Also since 2001, minor girls no longer need mandatory parental consent. A pregnant girl under the age of 18 may ask for an abortion without consulting her parents first if she is accompanied to the clinic by an adult of her choice, who must not tell her parents or any third party about the abortion. Until 2015, the law imposed a seven-day "cool-off" period between the patient's first request for an abortion and a written statement confirming her decision (the delay could be reduced to two days if the patient was getting close to 12 weeks). That mandatory waiting period was abolished on 9 April 2015."
France is still more restrictive than Florida, LOL.
BTW, the Age of Consent in France is 15.
15.
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wrote on 4 May 2022, 14:36 last edited by
Interesting speculation from David French-
Alito would have been assigned to write it by Thomas. Why would Thomas not write it himself? Perhaps he’s writing a concurring opinion stating abortion should be outlawed nationwide under the 14th amendment.