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Maybe stop using social media.

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    To amateur content creators...What about the person who has been so successful, they are now considered among the experts in their field?

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    @Jolly said in Maybe stop using social media.:

    To amateur content creators...What about the person who has been so successful, they are now considered among the experts in their field?

    Well right now, we're transitioning from the old model—followers/followings, people actually deciding what they see and interact with, along with suggestions peppered in—to the new model of all algo serving, all the time.

    I don't know to what extent this will happen, but basically, they better start getting entertaining if they want to keep eyes on them.

    I don't know if these platforms will ever get rid of followers & followings, but don't believe for a second that just because you follow someone, you'll see what they're going to post next. Following people means nothing anymore and hasn't for the past year.

    Please love yourself.

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    • 89th8 89th

      Interesting analysis and good summary Aqua. Depressing, indeed. I haven't opened TikTok yet (on purpose, I'm stubborn sometimes... like with twitter) but also I guess because early on there was the Chinese ownership risks I didn't like. Although I have to say, most videos on reddit seem to be "hosted" on TikTok (that logo at the end).

      I'd imagine TikTok is similar-ish to the Instagram video/story infinity feed? Probably one of my biggest pet peeves is watching my wife get pulled into that world of scrolling while our kids are around. "Just one more scroll, one more video..." and 30 min later and it's now dark outside.

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      @89th said in Maybe stop using social media.:

      Probably one of my biggest pet peeves is watching my wife get pulled into that world of scrolling while our kids are around.

      Same! My wife and I talk about this all the time. She's into insta. She completely agrees with the sentiment that it's a time stealer - but it remains a powerful pull.

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        My 15 second youtube video where I started an air fryer got 1300 views within several hours of putting it up. And yet my creative genius is still denied by some. Sad.

        Education is extremely important.

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          If you weren't ADD before social media, we'll make sure you are now.

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            I belong to a Facebook group on non-fiction books. What's fascinating there is one comes to realize that while there are some thoughtful people participating, a huge percentage of people are idiots incapable of discussion. That is, dismiss what is not a part of the tribe's code. I recently read The Diversity Delusion which details some of the problems with the acceptance strategies of colleges along with policies implemented by colleges to address "rape culture." Lastly, the author attacks some of the ways students have stifled speech. People on FB attacked the author and the book without reading a word of the book. Diversity=Good. Suggest that the implementation of some diversity initiatives may not be in the interest of those it is intended to help and concomitantly harms another group? - Your are BAD. Similar things happen when people present books on religion. Admittedly, some people ask good questions - and some provide thoughtful answers, but that happens too seldom.

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              I belong to a Facebook group on non-fiction books. What's fascinating there is one comes to realize that while there are some thoughtful people participating, a huge percentage of people are idiots incapable of discussion. That is, dismiss what is not a part of the tribe's code. I recently read The Diversity Delusion which details some of the problems with the acceptance strategies of colleges along with policies implemented by colleges to address "rape culture." Lastly, the author attacks some of the ways students have stifled speech. People on FB attacked the author and the book without reading a word of the book. Diversity=Good. Suggest that the implementation of some diversity initiatives may not be in the interest of those it is intended to help and concomitantly harms another group? - Your are BAD. Similar things happen when people present books on religion. Admittedly, some people ask good questions - and some provide thoughtful answers, but that happens too seldom.

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              @kluurs said in Maybe stop using social media.:

              I belong to a Facebook group on non-fiction books. What's fascinating there is one comes to realize that while there are some thoughtful people participating, a huge percentage of people are idiots incapable of discussion. That is, dismiss what is not a part of the tribe's code. I recently read The Diversity Delusion which details some of the problems with the acceptance strategies of colleges along with policies implemented by colleges to address "rape culture." Lastly, the author attacks some of the ways students have stifled speech. People on FB attacked the author and the book without reading a word of the book. Diversity=Good. Suggest that the implementation of some diversity initiatives may not be in the interest of those it is intended to help and concomitantly harms another group? - Your are BAD. Similar things happen when people present books on religion. Admittedly, some people ask good questions - and some provide thoughtful answers, but that happens too seldom.

              Woke Racism by McWhorter is probably the most important and insightful book deconstructing American tribal political culture and all the virtuous feels it relies on, but it’s not as if it made a dent in any leftist mind space. This goes to show the truth of its primary insight, which is that the race narrative, that most foundational piece of leftist political ideology, is a religion.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Jolly said in Maybe stop using social media.:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Maybe stop using social media.:

                @Jolly said in Maybe stop using social media.:

                Social media?

                Never started.

                Nice flex. 😄

                If you got it, flaunt it.

                I don't think it really profits anyone to not understand something. This is how you get craziness like "Twitter is a liberal Nazi platform because that's all I ever see mentioned on Fox."

                And you're engaging with YouTube, so you can't claim you're fully removed from it. The vast majority of YT users don't upload, either.

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                @Aqua-Letifer "I don't think it really profits anyone to not understand something."

                It depends on the something. It's like selectivity in the matter of which news items you choose to investigate. If there are more news (or quote-unquote "news") outlets than are necessary, does their being available itself obligate me to peruse them all? I don't think so. I learn what I want to learn and let the rest go.

                In any case, the understanding of whether something profits you or is not always accessible to you. I may eventually regret not understanding something, but maybe I won't.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  A book suggested by one of the respondents was The Coddling of the American Mind. It's next on my burgeoning "must read" list. It's odd that people choose to only read authors, posts, and articles consistent with their own views. I try to read things from thoughtful people who I disagree with - and even sometimes a few of the non-thoughtful people just to make myself feel good about myself.

                  I have been toying with the idea of taking some graduate classes at age 68. I wonder about my ability to refrain from creating micro-aggressions. Could be interesting though.

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                  • kluursK kluurs

                    A book suggested by one of the respondents was The Coddling of the American Mind. It's next on my burgeoning "must read" list. It's odd that people choose to only read authors, posts, and articles consistent with their own views. I try to read things from thoughtful people who I disagree with - and even sometimes a few of the non-thoughtful people just to make myself feel good about myself.

                    I have been toying with the idea of taking some graduate classes at age 68. I wonder about my ability to refrain from creating micro-aggressions. Could be interesting though.

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                    @kluurs That’s a great book. Haidt was on Sullivan’s podcast last Friday too, talking about his latest Atlantic piece which was excellent.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • kluursK kluurs

                      A book suggested by one of the respondents was The Coddling of the American Mind. It's next on my burgeoning "must read" list. It's odd that people choose to only read authors, posts, and articles consistent with their own views. I try to read things from thoughtful people who I disagree with - and even sometimes a few of the non-thoughtful people just to make myself feel good about myself.

                      I have been toying with the idea of taking some graduate classes at age 68. I wonder about my ability to refrain from creating micro-aggressions. Could be interesting though.

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                      @kluurs "A book suggested by one of the respondents was The Coddling of the American Mind.

                      That sounds interesting!

                      Excerpt from Amazon: "First Amendment expert Greg Lukianoff and social psychologist Jonathan Haidt show how the new problems on campus have their origins in three terrible ideas that have become increasingly woven into American childhood and education: what doesn’t kill you makes you weaker; always trust your feelings; and life is a battle between good people and evil people. These three Great Untruths are incompatible with basic psychological principles, as well as ancient wisdom from many cultures. They interfere with healthy development. Anyone who embraces these untruths—and the resulting culture of safetyism—is less likely to become an autonomous adult able to navigate the bumpy road of life."

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                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        My 15 second youtube video where I started an air fryer got 1300 views within several hours of putting it up. And yet my creative genius is still denied by some. Sad.

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                        @Horace said in Maybe stop using social media.:

                        My 15 second youtube video where I started an air fryer got 1300 views within several hours of putting it up. And yet my creative genius is still denied by some. Sad.

                        How long did it take you to view that 1250 times? 😄

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/opinion/twitter-elon-musk.html

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                            https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/opinion/twitter-elon-musk.html

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                            @bachophile said in Maybe stop using social media.:

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/opinion/twitter-elon-musk.html

                            Paywall. But I am curious was Jane Coaston has to say. I’ve spent some time listening to her share her opinions on Vox podcasts.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @bachophile said in Maybe stop using social media.:

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/30/opinion/twitter-elon-musk.html

                              Paywall. But I am curious was Jane Coaston has to say. I’ve spent some time listening to her share her opinions on Vox podcasts.

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                              @Horace this is the gist

                              "Most people don’t utilize the platform or care all that much about it. A 2021 Pew Research Center survey found that 77 percent of American adults did not use Twitter. Most of those who do tweet don’t visit the site every day, according to that survey. A Pew study, also from 2021, found that 97 percent of tweets are produced by the top 25 percent of Twitter users, the people who are most active on the platform."

                              "Twitter also can distort political reality. If you spend a lot of time there, you are most likely seeing other people who tweet a lot, a group that doesn’t represent real life. So you might vastly overestimate the number of people who support, say, packing the Supreme Court and underestimate the number of people who don’t vote at all. "

                              "And sometimes Twitter lends itself to the unfortunate Extremely Online attitude, which I defined a few years ago as being deeply enmeshed in internet culture and believing that events in that milieu — like trending topics on Twitter and viral Facebook posts — matter in the offline world, too."

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                                @Horace this is the gist

                                "Most people don’t utilize the platform or care all that much about it. A 2021 Pew Research Center survey found that 77 percent of American adults did not use Twitter. Most of those who do tweet don’t visit the site every day, according to that survey. A Pew study, also from 2021, found that 97 percent of tweets are produced by the top 25 percent of Twitter users, the people who are most active on the platform."

                                "Twitter also can distort political reality. If you spend a lot of time there, you are most likely seeing other people who tweet a lot, a group that doesn’t represent real life. So you might vastly overestimate the number of people who support, say, packing the Supreme Court and underestimate the number of people who don’t vote at all. "

                                "And sometimes Twitter lends itself to the unfortunate Extremely Online attitude, which I defined a few years ago as being deeply enmeshed in internet culture and believing that events in that milieu — like trending topics on Twitter and viral Facebook posts — matter in the offline world, too."

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                                @bachophile said in Maybe stop using social media.:

                                @Horace this is the gist

                                "Most people don’t utilize the platform or care all that much about it. A 2021 Pew Research Center survey found that 77 percent of American adults did not use Twitter. Most of those who do tweet don’t visit the site every day, according to that survey. A Pew study, also from 2021, found that 97 percent of tweets are produced by the top 25 percent of Twitter users, the people who are most active on the platform."

                                "Twitter also can distort political reality. If you spend a lot of time there, you are most likely seeing other people who tweet a lot, a group that doesn’t represent real life. So you might vastly overestimate the number of people who support, say, packing the Supreme Court and underestimate the number of people who don’t vote at all. "

                                "And sometimes Twitter lends itself to the unfortunate Extremely Online attitude, which I defined a few years ago as being deeply enmeshed in internet culture and believing that events in that milieu — like trending topics on Twitter and viral Facebook posts — matter in the offline world, too."

                                I listened to a recent podcast with Ezra Klein, who is this writer’s boss. He thinks Twitter is the most important narrative shaper in America, and he thinks narratives are fundamental to all of politics. I suspect Ms Coaston would eagerly agree with his sentiments, even as she writes columns like this one where she pretends to be above it all, and to keep it all in perspective.

                                Education is extremely important.

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