Taking On The Mouse
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:07 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:08 last edited by
Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:09 last edited by
About their hours of business or what causes they choose to support?
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:19 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A
Chick-Fil-A is pretty apolitical, and the point doesn’t hold. The owners are not, and are vocal on certain issues, but are pretty clear that they are speaking on their own, not as the company.
Hobby Lobby or My Pillow would be better examples.
Out of curiosity, did the Disney World self-govern thing end at their property lines? Does Universal and Sea World get similar concessions?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:36 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:39 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
Bad analogy.
Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:44 last edited by jon-nyc
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
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Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:59 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:38 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:53 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:57 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:58 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
It's an unbiased question.
Yes, or no. Quite simple, really.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 14:14 last edited by
Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
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Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 14:22 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
It may be badly written. I haven't gotten down in the weeds to parse it out, but the intent is pretty clear - Early primary grades are no place for sex education, no matter what your (collective your) views on what constitutes normal.
Disney's business model is built on children and inclusivity of most of the major aspects of life which are universally acknowledged to be good. Activism within the company is not a good reason to alienate a large portion of your base. Or politically draw attention to your new ideological stances.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 14:36 last edited by
I agree with all that and still don’t like the idea of governments rewarding and punishing companies based on their degree of political cooperation
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I agree with all that and still don’t like the idea of governments rewarding and punishing companies based on their degree of political cooperation
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 14:52 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
I agree with all that and still don’t like the idea of governments rewarding and punishing companies based on their degree of political cooperation
Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 15:05 last edited by
“Don’t upset the current party in power and you won’t be punished” isn’t the society I want to live in.
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“Don’t upset the current party in power and you won’t be punished” isn’t the society I want to live in.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 15:08 last edited by bachophile@jon-nyc society basically sucks...
thats my philosophy
although i hate to put a pessimistic light on all this
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
I agree with all that and still don’t like the idea of governments rewarding and punishing companies based on their degree of political cooperation
Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 15:12 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.
Keep talking like that and people might think that you want Citizens United v. the FEC overturned.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 15:30 last edited by
Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.
If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.
