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Taking On The Mouse

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  • CopperC Online
    CopperC Online
    Copper
    wrote on last edited by Copper
    #5

    In many ways Disney has become an empty shell of it's former self.

    The ceo has become so messed up that he has committed the company to overriding the Florida legislature.

    And why does he want to override this democratically elected legislature?

    Because Disney is committed to having Kindergarten teachers jam the teachers' twisted sexual identity down the children's throats.

    This is sick, this is demented, this is evil.

    Lock 'em up.

    And I think the Reedy Creek deal probably made a lot of sense 55 years ago. It was good for Disney and good for the State. The evil that has taken control of Disney was never anticipated when the deal was made.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Online
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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by
      #6

      Disney does something you don't agree with, and suddenly they're evil.

      They lost me when they introduced a Gopher into 100 acre wood. Fucking twats.

      I was only joking

      JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
      • Doctor PhibesD Online
        Doctor PhibesD Online
        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by
        #7

        Without Disney, isn't Florida just a bit of a third world country?

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          Disney does something you don't agree with, and suddenly they're evil.

          They lost me when they introduced a Gopher into 100 acre wood. Fucking twats.

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #8

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

          Disney does something you don't agree with, and suddenly they're evil.

          They lost me when they introduced a Gopher into 100 acre wood. Fucking twats.

          When you actively campaign for sex ed in kindergarten to third grade, featuring programs that teach children of that age that homosexual and transgender behavior is normal, as a company you have crossed the Rubicon.

          Don't be evil.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #9

            (h/t @wtg)

            Tax and Debt consequences:

            [quoted text]
            Reedy Creek was created in 1967 by the Florida legislature so Disney could develop the infrastructure for Walt Disney World at no cost to Florida taxpayers. Disney established and continues to maintain more than 130 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways as well as government services such as fire protection, emergency services, water, utilities and sewage.

            Tax experts and legislators say eliminating the district could have unintended consequences for county taxpayers. Disney’s special tax district status allows the company to levy an additional tax on itself to pay for municipal services, something that other counties cannot do. That tax currently amounts to $105 million per year, said Orange County tax collector Scott Randolph. Reedy Creek also receives additional revenue of nearly $60 million from Disney to pay its bond debt.

            Sunsetting Reedy Creek means that local counties will begin paying for those services without that special status in place. Taxpayers will likely be left to foot the bill for potholes and emergency services.

            The counties would also absorb Reedy Creek’s debt. The district historically operates at a loss of around $5 million to $10 million each year, according to its financial reports. But since Disney can subsidize its own operations with theme park revenue, that debt doesn’t have much impact on its bottom line.

            According to lawmakers, there’s around $1 billion in debt on the balance sheet that taxpayers would become responsible for should the special district get absorbed, leading to higher taxes.

            And salvaging those budgets won’t be easy. State law prohibits counties from raising sales taxes or impact fees to cover costs, and they must tax all areas of the county equally. So, whatever they enact will apply to everyone.

            Randolph said the county will likely have to raise property taxes by 20% to 25% to make up the difference.

            [/quoted text]

            https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/22/florida-gov-desantis-signs-bill-revoking-disneys-special-district-status.html

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #10

              What are the property taxes now vs. most Florida counties?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
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                #11

                There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #12

                  Charles Cook’s take

                  https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/04/ron-desantiss-misguided-attack-on-disneys-legal-status/

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                    Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                    It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                    Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                    Doctor PhibesD Online
                    Doctor PhibesD Online
                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #13

                    @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                    There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                    Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                    It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                    Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                    If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

                    I was only joking

                    JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                      There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                      Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                      It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                      Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                      If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #14

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                      @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                      There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                      Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                      It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                      Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                      If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

                      What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.

                      Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                      Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                      • jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #15

                        Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • JollyJ Offline
                          JollyJ Offline
                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #16

                          About their hours of business or what causes they choose to support?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A

                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #17

                            @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                            Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A

                            Chick-Fil-A is pretty apolitical, and the point doesn’t hold. The owners are not, and are vocal on certain issues, but are pretty clear that they are speaking on their own, not as the company.

                            Hobby Lobby or My Pillow would be better examples.

                            Out of curiosity, did the Disney World self-govern thing end at their property lines? Does Universal and Sea World get similar concessions?

                            The Brad

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                              @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                              There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                              Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                              It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                              Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                              If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

                              What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.

                              Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.

                              Doctor PhibesD Online
                              Doctor PhibesD Online
                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #18

                              @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                              @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                              There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                              Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                              It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                              Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                              If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

                              What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.

                              Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.

                              You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?

                              I was only joking

                              JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                                Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                                It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                                Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                                If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

                                What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.

                                Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.

                                You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?

                                JollyJ Offline
                                JollyJ Offline
                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #19

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.

                                Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.

                                It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.

                                Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.

                                If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.

                                What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.

                                Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.

                                You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?

                                Bad analogy.

                                Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • jon-nycJ Online
                                  jon-nycJ Online
                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                  #20

                                  Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                                  JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                    JollyJ Offline
                                    JollyJ Offline
                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #21

                                    @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                    Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                    Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                      Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                      Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                      Aqua Letifer
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                                      #22

                                      @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                      Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                      Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

                                      Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                        Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

                                        Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.

                                        JollyJ Offline
                                        JollyJ Offline
                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #23

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                        Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                        Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

                                        Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.

                                        Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                          Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

                                          Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.

                                          Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?

                                          Doctor PhibesD Online
                                          Doctor PhibesD Online
                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #24

                                          @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          @Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          @jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:

                                          Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.

                                          Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.

                                          Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.

                                          Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?

                                          That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.

                                          I was only joking

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