Taking On The Mouse
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A
Chick-Fil-A is pretty apolitical, and the point doesn’t hold. The owners are not, and are vocal on certain issues, but are pretty clear that they are speaking on their own, not as the company.
Hobby Lobby or My Pillow would be better examples.
Out of curiosity, did the Disney World self-govern thing end at their property lines? Does Universal and Sea World get similar concessions?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
Bad analogy.
Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
It's an unbiased question.
Yes, or no. Quite simple, really.
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Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
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Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
It may be badly written. I haven't gotten down in the weeds to parse it out, but the intent is pretty clear - Early primary grades are no place for sex education, no matter what your (collective your) views on what constitutes normal.
Disney's business model is built on children and inclusivity of most of the major aspects of life which are universally acknowledged to be good. Activism within the company is not a good reason to alienate a large portion of your base. Or politically draw attention to your new ideological stances.
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I agree with all that and still don’t like the idea of governments rewarding and punishing companies based on their degree of political cooperation
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
I agree with all that and still don’t like the idea of governments rewarding and punishing companies based on their degree of political cooperation
Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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“Don’t upset the current party in power and you won’t be punished” isn’t the society I want to live in.
@jon-nyc society basically sucks...
thats my philosophy
although i hate to put a pessimistic light on all this
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
I agree with all that and still don’t like the idea of governments rewarding and punishing companies based on their degree of political cooperation
Then tell companies to stay out of the political arena, unless it directly impacts their business.
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Look, if y'all want to get your panties in a wad over denying public school districts in the state teaching k-3 children that sexual perversion is just hunky dory or sex education in the most general and innocuous terms is just hunky dory, that's a hill I'll gladly die on. That has no business being in the curriculum of that age child. Mouse House, or no.
If you are in favor of that, well...Says a lot more about you, than it does me.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Thats not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about states punishing private actors for their political positions.
I get that’s pretty indefensible, so you are pretending we are arguing about the bill. But we’re not. We actually agree with the intent of the bill.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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I guess we've discovered what it takes for Republicans to stand up to abuses by big business.
Also, it's nice to see Jolly getting behind this kind of partisan governmental behaviour. For too long he's been critical of pretty much everything that governments have done to punish companies over partisan disagreements!
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
I guess we've discovered what it takes for Republicans to stand up to abuses by big business.
It’s far more entertaining to watch the Democrats and the progressive Left lining up to defend raw capitalism and the rights of corporations to do what they want without government interference.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
Bad analogy.
Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
Bad analogy.
Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?
Even worse than your criticism of Phibe’s bad analogy.
Deciding to not transact with a costumer in a nonessential service is not promoting a political view. It’s not a political matter at all.
