Taking On The Mouse
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Disney does something you don't agree with, and suddenly they're evil.
They lost me when they introduced a Gopher into 100 acre wood. Fucking twats.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 03:10 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
Disney does something you don't agree with, and suddenly they're evil.
They lost me when they introduced a Gopher into 100 acre wood. Fucking twats.
When you actively campaign for sex ed in kindergarten to third grade, featuring programs that teach children of that age that homosexual and transgender behavior is normal, as a company you have crossed the Rubicon.
Don't be evil.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 06:17 last edited by
(h/t @wtg)
Tax and Debt consequences:
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Reedy Creek was created in 1967 by the Florida legislature so Disney could develop the infrastructure for Walt Disney World at no cost to Florida taxpayers. Disney established and continues to maintain more than 130 miles of roadways and 67 miles of waterways as well as government services such as fire protection, emergency services, water, utilities and sewage.Tax experts and legislators say eliminating the district could have unintended consequences for county taxpayers. Disney’s special tax district status allows the company to levy an additional tax on itself to pay for municipal services, something that other counties cannot do. That tax currently amounts to $105 million per year, said Orange County tax collector Scott Randolph. Reedy Creek also receives additional revenue of nearly $60 million from Disney to pay its bond debt.
Sunsetting Reedy Creek means that local counties will begin paying for those services without that special status in place. Taxpayers will likely be left to foot the bill for potholes and emergency services.
The counties would also absorb Reedy Creek’s debt. The district historically operates at a loss of around $5 million to $10 million each year, according to its financial reports. But since Disney can subsidize its own operations with theme park revenue, that debt doesn’t have much impact on its bottom line.
According to lawmakers, there’s around $1 billion in debt on the balance sheet that taxpayers would become responsible for should the special district get absorbed, leading to higher taxes.
And salvaging those budgets won’t be easy. State law prohibits counties from raising sales taxes or impact fees to cover costs, and they must tax all areas of the county equally. So, whatever they enact will apply to everyone.
Randolph said the county will likely have to raise property taxes by 20% to 25% to make up the difference.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 09:38 last edited by
What are the property taxes now vs. most Florida counties?
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 11:42 last edited by jon-nyc
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 11:46 last edited by
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There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 11:54 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:07 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:08 last edited by
Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:09 last edited by
About their hours of business or what causes they choose to support?
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:19 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Oddly I don’t remember you expressing such comments about Chik-Fil-A
Chick-Fil-A is pretty apolitical, and the point doesn’t hold. The owners are not, and are vocal on certain issues, but are pretty clear that they are speaking on their own, not as the company.
Hobby Lobby or My Pillow would be better examples.
Out of curiosity, did the Disney World self-govern thing end at their property lines? Does Universal and Sea World get similar concessions?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:36 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:39 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
There were a bunch of good reasons to end this over the years but neither DeSantis nor the legislature showed the slightest interest.
Indeed DeSantis himself signed into law an even more blatant carve out for Disney in the social media regulation bill.
It’s a shame people can’t zoom out a bit and realize we don’t want politicians to bestow benefits and punishments on corporations based on the degree of their political cooperation.
Unfortunately, it just seems to have just whet their appetites for more such behavior.
If it’s wrong when Democrats do it, surely it’s wrong when Republicans do it too.
What's wrong is a corporation becoming political. Their job is to be apolitical as possible and return a profit to the shareholders by producing whatever widget they produce.
Once a corporation decides to take a political stance, it operates in the world of politics, not business.
You mean like refusing to provide cakes for gay weddings?
Bad analogy.
Is a single proprietorship the same as a corporation?
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:44 last edited by jon-nyc
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
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Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 12:59 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
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@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:38 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:53 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:57 last edited by@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
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@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 13:58 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Taking On The Mouse:
@Jolly said in Taking On The Mouse:
@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you’re operating on any principal other than tribalism.
Don't fool yourself into seeing everything through the lens of tribalism.
Pfffft. Had Disney been ginning up support for classroom prayer, we'd be hearing about big bad government sticking it to an honest business.
Are you in favor of sex education for your kindergartner?
That question just demonstrates your bias. The question isn’t whether you agree with Disney, it’s whether you agree with government interference.
It's an unbiased question.
Yes, or no. Quite simple, really.
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wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 14:14 last edited by
Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
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Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 14:22 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Taking On The Mouse:
Not by the school.
But you can be fine with the Florida bill’s intent and still not be a fan of state governments punishing corporations for opposing them politically.
(I say intent because the bill itself is badly written)
It may be badly written. I haven't gotten down in the weeds to parse it out, but the intent is pretty clear - Early primary grades are no place for sex education, no matter what your (collective your) views on what constitutes normal.
Disney's business model is built on children and inclusivity of most of the major aspects of life which are universally acknowledged to be good. Activism within the company is not a good reason to alienate a large portion of your base. Or politically draw attention to your new ideological stances.