If Covid deaths spike...
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https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sbBGp_1591227727
Good social distancing in that crowd.
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In a very cold way, these protests are helping Trump in two ways:
- If COVID spikes, he can blame the protests, not the re-opening.
- Aside from COVID, the protests (and associated riots/looting) could galvanize his base for the election.
@89th said in If Covid deaths spike...:
In a very cold way, these protests are helping Trump in two ways:
- If COVID spikes, he can blame the protests, not the re-opening.
Yeah, it's Paul Joseph Watson. But he's not wrong here.
Link to video- Aside from COVID, the protests (and associated riots/looting) could galvanize his base for the election.
(I'd love to see who was sampled for this poll)
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Scott Adam's twitter followers, so yeah, basically a Trumpist crowd.
But my intuition is that the protests taken as a whole are and will erode support for the movement and help Trump.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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Scott Adam's twitter followers, so yeah, basically a Trumpist crowd.
But my intuition is that the protests taken as a whole are and will erode support for the movement and help Trump.
I agree. I have sympathy for what is going on to black people, and even though it is a minority of them doing the looting and destroying of buildings, that is what is showing up on the news.
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The mistake is in making it about race instead of police brutality. When you try to pretend this only happens to black people then you get into a big old can of worms no one wants to talk honestly about.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
I was only joking
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Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
One thing we can agree on scientifically is that people of color will suffer disproportionally from any spike in Covid.
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Scott Adam's twitter followers, so yeah, basically a Trumpist crowd.
But my intuition is that the protests taken as a whole are and will erode support for the movement and help Trump.
@jon-nyc: You know what? The social media influence has become so widespread now that it is now impossible to determine what it is, -- whatever it is -- who or what caused it, and what is the right thing to do about it. And where common sense or clearsightedness or honor don't prevail, then we can always count on majority rule, amirite?
I am right now feeling more than a little like Phibes when his mortgagor tells him not to worry.
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The mistake is in making it about race instead of police brutality. When you try to pretend this only happens to black people then you get into a big old can of worms no one wants to talk honestly about.
@Mik said in If Covid deaths spike...:
The mistake is in making it about race instead of police brutality. When you try to pretend this only happens to black people then you get into a big old can of worms no one wants to talk honestly about.
I don't think making it about police brutality would pass anybody's sniff test as a hugely important social problem. It has to have the cover of "if you're not black you couldn't possibly understand". That idea is powerful because it makes it racist to use your sniff test.
Education is extremely important.
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Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
@Horace said in If Covid deaths spike...:
@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
Is that backed up by data or is it just an opinion? I've seen lots of higher status blacks claiming the opposite, based on their own personal experiences, but those are just opinions too.
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Numbers out of the social sciences which demonstrate something other than the narrative are not generated as a rule, but you are welcome to google it and see if you can find anything. I am aware that high SES black folk tend to have anecdotes ready to go about how they were pulled over for being black. I am also aware that their own perspective on those incidents is not perfect.
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Numbers out of the social sciences which demonstrate something other than the narrative are not generated as a rule, but you are welcome to google it and see if you can find anything. I am aware that high SES black folk tend to have anecdotes ready to go about how they were pulled over for being black. I am also aware that their own perspective on those incidents is not perfect.
@Horace said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Numbers out of the social sciences which demonstrate something other than the narrative are not generated as a rule, but you are welcome to google it and see if you can find anything. I am aware that high SES black folk tend to have anecdotes ready to go about how they were pulled over for being black. I am also aware that their own perspective on those incidents is not perfect.
Wouldn't high status blacks tend to have more of an idea about this than high status whites, since if it is happening, it's happening to them?
We all have opinions, but if there's no data, they don't mean much, and at the very least the blacks mentioned appear to have anecdotal evidence. If there is data, and it's written off as meaningless as it supports 'the narrative', then what do we do, just pull opinions out of the air as being better than a narrative we don't believe in? That's just a different narrative.
Unless there's data, we're just a bunch of old white guys saying the blacks don't have it that bad.
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I am aware that I become a joke by opining about the black experience. But I have no interest in shutting off my brain when it comes to our most important political issues that extend way further than race relations, just because I'm supposed to be ashamed for having a thought. I have heard powerful progressives say that all of American politics boils down to race. It is certainly true that progressives want to push every issue that way. That being the case, if you capitulate on race because you have the wrong skin color to have a thought about it, then you capitulate on all political issues.
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It is possible for both sides to be wrong. They generally are, IMNSHO.
And most progressive discussions are a bunch of old white guys saying how tough the blacks have it.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
@Horace said in If Covid deaths spike...:
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
Seems like that has to be false, just based on the differential crime statistics. Even if cops grab the wrong suspect with identical frequency independently of race, the random black guy's odds of being wrongly suspected will exceed the white guy's since they are disproportionately looking for the black male suspect.
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Yes, that is a thing that can be identified that would unequivocally push statistics a certain direction. The amount of that effect would depend largely on neighborhood. A high SES person living in a low SES area would get more of that, presumably. But that would probably not be the most important reason for someone who can afford to do so, to remove themselves from those neighborhoods.
