If Covid deaths spike...
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 05:47 last edited by
Is that YOUR bible?
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 10:15 last edited by
In a very cold way, these protests are helping Trump in two ways:
- If COVID spikes, he can blame the protests, not the re-opening.
- Aside from COVID, the protests (and associated riots/looting) could galvanize his base for the election.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 10:42 last edited by
Remember his very chilling brag during the Senate trial: "I always find a way to win".
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 10:53 last edited by 89th 6 Apr 2020, 10:54
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sbBGp_1591227727
Good social distancing in that crowd.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 10:55 last edited by Catseye3 6 Apr 2020, 12:29
In light of the horrific scene in D.C., I suggest a new name for kneeling on a miscreant's neck, leading possibly to death. Call it the Wuhan Maneuver.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 10:57 last edited by
Why do I keep thinking of James Cagney's famous line in the movie White Heat? "Made it, Ma! Top of the world!"
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In a very cold way, these protests are helping Trump in two ways:
- If COVID spikes, he can blame the protests, not the re-opening.
- Aside from COVID, the protests (and associated riots/looting) could galvanize his base for the election.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 12:03 last edited by@89th said in If Covid deaths spike...:
In a very cold way, these protests are helping Trump in two ways:
- If COVID spikes, he can blame the protests, not the re-opening.
Yeah, it's Paul Joseph Watson. But he's not wrong here.
Link to video- Aside from COVID, the protests (and associated riots/looting) could galvanize his base for the election.
(I'd love to see who was sampled for this poll)
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 12:24 last edited by jon-nyc 6 Apr 2020, 14:02
Scott Adam's twitter followers, so yeah, basically a Trumpist crowd.
But my intuition is that the protests taken as a whole are and will erode support for the movement and help Trump.
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Scott Adam's twitter followers, so yeah, basically a Trumpist crowd.
But my intuition is that the protests taken as a whole are and will erode support for the movement and help Trump.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 12:46 last edited byI agree. I have sympathy for what is going on to black people, and even though it is a minority of them doing the looting and destroying of buildings, that is what is showing up on the news.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 12:49 last edited by
The mistake is in making it about race instead of police brutality. When you try to pretend this only happens to black people then you get into a big old can of worms no one wants to talk honestly about.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 13:14 last edited by
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
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Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 13:26 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
One thing we can agree on scientifically is that people of color will suffer disproportionally from any spike in Covid.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 13:32 last edited by
That depends on which proportions you use.
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Scott Adam's twitter followers, so yeah, basically a Trumpist crowd.
But my intuition is that the protests taken as a whole are and will erode support for the movement and help Trump.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 13:44 last edited by@jon-nyc: You know what? The social media influence has become so widespread now that it is now impossible to determine what it is, -- whatever it is -- who or what caused it, and what is the right thing to do about it. And where common sense or clearsightedness or honor don't prevail, then we can always count on majority rule, amirite?
I am right now feeling more than a little like Phibes when his mortgagor tells him not to worry.
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The mistake is in making it about race instead of police brutality. When you try to pretend this only happens to black people then you get into a big old can of worms no one wants to talk honestly about.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 14:31 last edited by@Mik said in If Covid deaths spike...:
The mistake is in making it about race instead of police brutality. When you try to pretend this only happens to black people then you get into a big old can of worms no one wants to talk honestly about.
I don't think making it about police brutality would pass anybody's sniff test as a hugely important social problem. It has to have the cover of "if you're not black you couldn't possibly understand". That idea is powerful because it makes it racist to use your sniff test.
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Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 15:10 last edited by Horace 6 Apr 2020, 15:11@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 15:23 last edited by@Horace said in If Covid deaths spike...:
@Doctor-Phibes said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Most of the white people here say it's not about race, but if there is unfair and disproportionate treatment of blacks, would we really know?
There is disproportionate police action against low-SES black people born in low-SES black neighborhoods. A high status person of color who's lived in a good neighborhood their whole life has as much likelihood of having been personally visited by policing brutality as I do.
Is that backed up by data or is it just an opinion? I've seen lots of higher status blacks claiming the opposite, based on their own personal experiences, but those are just opinions too.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 15:34 last edited by
Numbers out of the social sciences which demonstrate something other than the narrative are not generated as a rule, but you are welcome to google it and see if you can find anything. I am aware that high SES black folk tend to have anecdotes ready to go about how they were pulled over for being black. I am also aware that their own perspective on those incidents is not perfect.
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Numbers out of the social sciences which demonstrate something other than the narrative are not generated as a rule, but you are welcome to google it and see if you can find anything. I am aware that high SES black folk tend to have anecdotes ready to go about how they were pulled over for being black. I am also aware that their own perspective on those incidents is not perfect.
wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 15:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes 6 Apr 2020, 15:47@Horace said in If Covid deaths spike...:
Numbers out of the social sciences which demonstrate something other than the narrative are not generated as a rule, but you are welcome to google it and see if you can find anything. I am aware that high SES black folk tend to have anecdotes ready to go about how they were pulled over for being black. I am also aware that their own perspective on those incidents is not perfect.
Wouldn't high status blacks tend to have more of an idea about this than high status whites, since if it is happening, it's happening to them?
We all have opinions, but if there's no data, they don't mean much, and at the very least the blacks mentioned appear to have anecdotal evidence. If there is data, and it's written off as meaningless as it supports 'the narrative', then what do we do, just pull opinions out of the air as being better than a narrative we don't believe in? That's just a different narrative.
Unless there's data, we're just a bunch of old white guys saying the blacks don't have it that bad.
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wrote on 4 Jun 2020, 15:53 last edited by
I am aware that I become a joke by opining about the black experience. But I have no interest in shutting off my brain when it comes to our most important political issues that extend way further than race relations, just because I'm supposed to be ashamed for having a thought. I have heard powerful progressives say that all of American politics boils down to race. It is certainly true that progressives want to push every issue that way. That being the case, if you capitulate on race because you have the wrong skin color to have a thought about it, then you capitulate on all political issues.