Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.
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This just has to be the end of Putin. He has set his nation back decades in every imaginable way.
@Mik and also Renauda:
It is amazing, how people so often fail to recognize the catalytic consequences of their actions. "So-and-so is doing X, so I will thwart him by doing Y," not considering that so-and-so might change as a result of my Y.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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Turkey has now stated it will not block either Finland or Sweden from becoming NATO members.
Putin wanted less NATO as a war aim and is now getting even more NATO than he ever imagined.
All I can say is, sad Christmas for Putin.
@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
Turkey has now stated it will not block either Finland or Sweden from becoming NATO members.
Putin wanted less NATO as a war aim and is now getting even more NATO than he ever imagined.
All I can say is, sad Christmas for Putin.
Wonder what the Turks got in return?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Mik and also Renauda:
It is amazing, how people so often fail to recognize the catalytic consequences of their actions. "So-and-so is doing X, so I will thwart him by doing Y," not considering that so-and-so might change as a result of my Y.
My spouse has a theory that all this would have been gamed out beforehand and that Putin will now proceed to launch a internal blood purge to rid the country of imagined enemies of the people reminiscent of Stalin.
It is plausible and he may attempt such at the top but I doubt that it would be without concerted and determined opposition from within unlike the 1930’s.
Elbows up!
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We are really going through the looking glass here. Now Putin says NATO expansion is no big deal - no threat to Russia.
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My spouse has a theory that all this would have been gamed out beforehand and that Putin will now proceed to launch a internal blood purge to rid the country of imagined enemies of the people reminiscent of Stalin.
It is plausible and he may attempt such at the top but I doubt that it would be without concerted and determined opposition from within unlike the 1930’s.
@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
My spouse has a theory that all this would have been gamed out beforehand and that Putin will now proceed to launch a internal blood purge to rid the country of imagined enemies of the people reminiscent of Stalin.
It is plausible and he may attempt such at the top but I doubt that it would be without concerted and determined opposition from within unlike the 1930’s.
How very Russian...
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@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
Turkey has now stated it will not block either Finland or Sweden from becoming NATO members.
Putin wanted less NATO as a war aim and is now getting even more NATO than he ever imagined.
All I can say is, sad Christmas for Putin.
Wonder what the Turks got in return?
@Jolly said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
Turkey has now stated it will not block either Finland or Sweden from becoming NATO members.
Putin wanted less NATO as a war aim and is now getting even more NATO than he ever imagined.
All I can say is, sad Christmas for Putin.
Wonder what the Turks got in return?
Apparently not enough baksheesh:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/russia-finland-sweden-nato-ukraine-war
Bastards.
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@Jolly said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
Turkey has now stated it will not block either Finland or Sweden from becoming NATO members.
Putin wanted less NATO as a war aim and is now getting even more NATO than he ever imagined.
All I can say is, sad Christmas for Putin.
Wonder what the Turks got in return?
Apparently not enough baksheesh:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/russia-finland-sweden-nato-ukraine-war
Bastards.
@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
Bastards.
Interesting , and sad.
Not surprising, though. Turkey's always been a wild-card in all this BS.
I have to agree and wonder what pressure was applied by Putin vs the rest of NATO in getting to this point.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
Bastards.
Interesting , and sad.
Not surprising, though. Turkey's always been a wild-card in all this BS.
I have to agree and wonder what pressure was applied by Putin vs the rest of NATO in getting to this point.
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Erdogan may yet change his mind, again. Curious though that he waited this long to express his concerns. More baksheesh might calm his mind.
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“Can Turkey be Expelled from NATO?”
https://www.justsecurity.org/66574/can-turkey-be-expelled-from-nato/
That’s from 2019. As it is, NATO currently does not have a procedure to expel a member state.
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@Renauda said in Looks like Finland will apply for NATO membership.:
Putin smiled.
Ayup...
I'm sure that Erdogan understands his strategic significance, and he'll leverage that to the best of his ability.
