Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
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Interesting stuff.
As for me, first one to go to college. My dad had a (maybe) jr. high education. My mom did not go past third grade. Grandparents - I dont think that any of them had any more than a couple of years of school, if that. Different times, different country.
Interesting graphic on US graduation rates.
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“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
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@Jolly said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
Not buying it.
If somebody plopped you or most of the other people of your generation on a Victorian farm and told you to run it, could you? Without starving?
It depends, do we have access to YouTube and a feed/farm/hardware store?
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@Jolly said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
Not buying it.
If somebody plopped you or most of the other people of your generation on a Victorian farm and told you to run it, could you? Without starving?
Having a set of skills that one learned from childhood isn’t the same thing as intelligence. The Flynn effect is highly replicable.
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@89th said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
@Jolly said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
Not buying it.
If somebody plopped you or most of the other people of your generation on a Victorian farm and told you to run it, could you? Without starving?
It depends, do we have access to YouTube and a feed/farm/hardware store?
No YouTube and you better make a crop or the village general store will not pack you very far on credit.
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@jon-nyc said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
Intelligence helps you acquire skills.
It’s not like if you teach someone to farm they get an IQ boost out of it.
And obviously there are plenty of things any modern person can do that would baffle the Victorians.
For Jolly, intelligence is synonymous with "shares my values."
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
@jon-nyc said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
Intelligence helps you acquire skills.
It’s not like if you teach someone to farm they get an IQ boost out of it.
And obviously there are plenty of things any modern person can do that would baffle the Victorians.
For Jolly, intelligence is synonymous with "shares my values."
Wrong.
If the Flynn Effect is real, why can I read a 2500 year-old document and still see men committing the same abusive and heinous acts today? The level of education and knowledge is immeasurably higher today, but men still engage in the same self-destructive behavior. If today's man were vastly more intelligent than his ancestors of more than two millennia ago, should not his destructive and abusive behavior have stopped?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion.
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@Jolly said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
@jon-nyc said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
Intelligence helps you acquire skills.
It’s not like if you teach someone to farm they get an IQ boost out of it.
And obviously there are plenty of things any modern person can do that would baffle the Victorians.
For Jolly, intelligence is synonymous with "shares my values."
Wrong.
If the Flynn Effect is real, why can I read a 2500 year-old document and still see men committing the same abusive and heinous acts today? The level of education and knowledge is immeasurably higher today, but men still engage in the same self-destructive behavior. If today's man were vastly more intelligent than his ancestors of more than two millennia ago, should not his destructive and abusive behavior have stopped?
No, it shouldn't. That's limbic system stuff that we've never evolved out of. It's a completely separate brain system from logic and creative problem-solving.
And I don't think I'm wrong in my assessment at all. You seem to think that anyone who isn't a homesteader is significantly more stupid than those who are, because only morons don't know how to grow their own crops and replace load-bearing walls.
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Brain shape has changed in the last 300,000 years, but size has not. The current shape stabilized around 35,000 years ago.
So we're working with basically the same size organ since then.
In sheer, raw intelligence, I think we've been working with the same raw material for at least 20,000 years or more. Men are what they are. Education and training may have changed, but at birth we're no smarter than what we have been bred. Whether it is today, at the time of the Norman Conquest, the height of the Roman Empire, or the builders of Angkor Wat.
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@Jolly said in Who here had grandparents who got a college degree?:
If the Flynn Effect is real, why can I read a 2500 year-old document and still see men committing the same abusive and heinous acts today? The level of education and knowledge is immeasurably higher today, but men still engage in the same self-destructive behavior. If today's man were vastly more intelligent than his ancestors of more than two millennia ago, should not his destructive and abusive behavior have stopped?
It’s not clear how long the Flynn effect has been happening. It is thought to be a modern phenomenon. Surely the rate at which change has happened in the last decades couldn’t have been happening for hundreds of years or people would have been dumber than dogs 500 years ago.
Also there’s a bit of selection bias in that when you read the ancients you’re likely reading the cream of their intellectual crop.
