The Resident Gaffes Again
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With the specter of global war, the time we should be most careful about what we say and do, this is what we have at the top.
@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
With the specter of global war, the time we should be most careful about what we say and do, this is what we have at the top.
On the other hand, Putin has no problem with saying that Ukraine must be “denazified” “demilitarised” and that NATO should withdraw from all former Soviet republics and Warsaw Pact members. In effect much of central and all eastern Europe are exclusively within Moscow’s sphere of influence and must remain so. It is after all, Russia’s historic right to lord over those lands and peoples. Then there’s documented Russian interference in various western elections and Brexit. Putin has been pushing for regime change throughout the West for at least a dozen years.
Of course Biden’s remarks were over the top and not at all helpful in finding an immediate solution to Putin’s war with Europe and liberal democracy in general. Nevertheless, I think the remarks are correct and needed to be said for Putin is no longer just an autocrat. He has now made himself into a warlord despot without any semblance of legitimacy or humanity.
I won’t fault Biden for his remarks, it needed to be said.
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I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was. This is not a good time for creating opportunities for misperception.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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Apparently the highest echelon of American government and military leadership struggles with the question of how much support to give Ukraine, while Hollywood and your friendly neighborhood denizens of pop culture already know. Biden appears to align with his friendly neighborhood denizens of pop culture, which stands to reason, as he is an intellectually compromised octogenarian who learned decades ago the right people to agree with for his journey up the social ladder.
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I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was. This is not a good time for creating opportunities for misperception.
Agreed, the mealy mouthed back pedalling is not a good thing. A bit like people who always feel a need to explain themselves. It’s an obsession for some, a disease for many.
The Russians however will distort anything that is said beyond all recognition or relation to reality. In the mind of the average Ivan Ivanovich living in Bumfucsk, Russia what the POTUS and his handlers say is of no consequence. There a nothing anyone in the West can do to win their hearts and minds anyway.
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@George-K said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
Bullshit.
I have it on good authority presidents cannot move markets.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?
So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?
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So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?
So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?
@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?
So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
Leave it to you to point out the absolute least relevant side of the issue.
Hmmm … don’t really see an objection or denial to what I wrote.
@Axtremus said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
Leave it to you to point out the absolute least relevant side of the issue.
Hmmm … don’t really see an objection or denial to what I wrote.
That is because what you wrote is so fucking stupid it doesn't deserve an answer.
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I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was. This is not a good time for creating opportunities for misperception.
Well Larry, there is still no objection or denial to what I wrote …
@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was.
… and @Mik seems to have changed his mind, from objecting Biden saying it in the first place to objecting the White House’s walking the statement back afterwards.
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Well Larry, there is still no objection or denial to what I wrote …
@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was.
… and @Mik seems to have changed his mind, from objecting Biden saying it in the first place to objecting the White House’s walking the statement back afterwards.
@Axtremus said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
Well Larry, there is still objection or denial to what I wrote …
@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was.
… and @Mik seems to have changed his mind, from objecting Biden saying it in the first place to objecting the White House’s walking the statement back afterwards.
Once you shit on the windshield turning on the wipers just makes things worse. Your party is being led by a fool who just shit on the windshield. He is being cleaned up after by fools, and defended by fools. No point in wasting time trying to explain anything to one of the fools.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?
So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?
@George-K said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:
So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?
So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?
Biden’s remark of responding “in kind” should Russia use chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine is an appropriate statement. Putin should be in doubt that use of chemical weapons could result in an all out NATO military response in support of Ukraine that will prevail. In kind” could mean any number of responses other than chemical, all of which would be swift and severe. From here on it’s up to Putin to govern his actions not the other way round as has been the case.
As for preparing the 82 Airborne for combat, that’s part of what they signed up for when they joined.
Elbows up!
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So you folks generally agree that Putin should not stay in power, but you would just rather Biden not say that out loud, is that right?
@Axtremus: So you folks generally agree that Putin should not stay in power, but you would just rather Biden not say that out loud, is that right?
My first thought also, Ax. I'd rather Biden hadn't been so shrill, but I agree with Renauda that it needed to be said.
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There's room for interpretation when dealing with other languages, but English to English? "In kind" specifically means "in like fashion". The implication is obvious and it's unnecessary rhetoric. If he wants to say that the US will respond with force, then say so. This implies unconventional weapons.
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