The Resident Gaffes Again

[George K]

[Renauda]

@Mik

Agreed, the mealy mouthed back pedalling is not a good thing. A bit like people who always feel a need to explain themselves. It’s an obsession for some, a disease for many.

The Russians however will distort anything that is said beyond all recognition or relation to reality. In the mind of the average Ivan Ivanovich living in Bumfucsk, Russia what the POTUS and his handlers say is of no consequence. There a nothing anyone in the West can do to win their hearts and minds anyway.

[Jolly]

@George-K said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

Bullshit.

I have it on good authority presidents cannot move markets.

[LuFins Dad]

So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?

So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?

So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?

[Larry]

@Axtremus said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

Leave it to you to point out the absolute least relevant side of the issue.

Hmmm … don’t really see an objection or denial to what I wrote.

That is because what you wrote is so fucking stupid it doesn't deserve an answer.

[Axtremus]

Well Larry, there is still no objection or denial to what I wrote …

@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was.

… and @Mik seems to have changed his mind, from objecting Biden saying it in the first place to objecting the White House’s walking the statement back afterwards.

[Larry]

@Axtremus said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

Well Larry, there is still objection or denial to what I wrote …

@Mik said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

I would have been fine if the White House had not immediately scrambled to walk the statement back and say that was not what he meant, when it clearly was.

… and @Mik seems to have changed his mind, from objecting Biden saying it in the first place to objecting the White House’s walking the statement back afterwards.

Once you shit on the windshield turning on the wipers just makes things worse. Your party is being led by a fool who just shit on the windshield. He is being cleaned up after by fools, and defended by fools. No point in wasting time trying to explain anything to one of the fools.

[Renauda]

@George-K said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

So we're ignoring the fact that he threatened to retaliate with chemical weapons if Russia used them first? While we are not actively engaged in this war?

So we're ignoring the fact that he just basically told the 82nd Airborn to get ready to see Hell?

Biden’s remark of responding “in kind” should Russia use chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine is an appropriate statement. Putin should be in doubt that use of chemical weapons could result in an all out NATO military response in support of Ukraine that will prevail. In kind” could mean any number of responses other than chemical, all of which would be swift and severe. From here on it’s up to Putin to govern his actions not the other way round as has been the case.

As for preparing the 82 Airborne for combat, that’s part of what they signed up for when they joined.

[Catseye3]

@Axtremus: So you folks generally agree that Putin should not stay in power, but you would just rather Biden not say that out loud, is that right?

My first thought also, Ax. I'd rather Biden hadn't been so shrill, but I agree with Renauda that it needed to be said.

[LuFins Dad]

There's room for interpretation when dealing with other languages, but English to English? "In kind" specifically means "in like fashion". The implication is obvious and it's unnecessary rhetoric. If he wants to say that the US will respond with force, then say so. This implies unconventional weapons.

[Catseye3]

@Renauda: Biden’s remark of responding “in kind” should Russia use chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine is an appropriate statement.

I agree, but not by the likes of Biden. Such a statement should have no scintilla of political suckupery. Anyone who contemplates making such a statement for such a reason proves himself frighteningly incapable of standing up convincingly.

Reagan's 'tear down that wall' rang with power and great credibility. Is this US the same as that US?

Putin should be in doubt . . .

I assume you meant in no doubt.

. . . that use of chemical weapons could result in an all out NATO military response in support of Ukraine that will prevail.

Yes, if we're going to respond, then let's do it unmistakably. But how does this comport with your post the other day that such a response might/would compel Putin to heighten his aggression? What then?

From here on it’s up to Putin to govern his actions not the other way round as has been the case.

Yeah, but what if he doesn't?

I wish I had a clearer idea of where the American people lie in all of this -- without a lot of politicized claptrap about left vs right social shit gumming up the terrain. How well versed are we in the issue? And how prepared are we for whatever may transpire? Plainly, do we have the balls to follow through on whatever our sabre-ratting may lead to? Again, a clear visage without a lot of wish-think.

Who has the wisdom? Who do we listen to?

Also, I'd like to ask Putin, why now? If he's moving on Ukraine because he feels the time is advantageous, how is he framing the advantage in his own mind? I feel like it's important to have a clear understanding of what Putin wants right now.

I wish I knew more.

[Jolly]

Be careful how far you want to go. MAD existed for a reason.

[Aqua Letifer]

@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

There's room for interpretation when dealing with other languages, but English to English? "In kind" specifically means "in like fashion". The implication is obvious and it's unnecessary rhetoric. If he wants to say that the US will respond with force, then say so. This implies unconventional weapons.

What do you think Biden should have said, and what intelligence briefings have you been in that led you to that conclusion?

I'm not saying Biden isn't a fuckup. But we have absolutely no idea what's going on.

[LuFins Dad]

@Aqua-Letifer said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

There's room for interpretation when dealing with other languages, but English to English? "In kind" specifically means "in like fashion". The implication is obvious and it's unnecessary rhetoric. If he wants to say that the US will respond with force, then say so. This implies unconventional weapons.

What do you think Biden should have said, and what intelligence briefings have you been in that led you to that conclusion?

I'm not saying Biden isn't a fuckup. But we have absolutely no idea what's going on.

I would not have said in essence "If you use chemical weapons, we use chemical weapons". That's for sure.

[Aqua Letifer]

@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

@Aqua-Letifer said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

@LuFins-Dad said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

There's room for interpretation when dealing with other languages, but English to English? "In kind" specifically means "in like fashion". The implication is obvious and it's unnecessary rhetoric. If he wants to say that the US will respond with force, then say so. This implies unconventional weapons.

What do you think Biden should have said, and what intelligence briefings have you been in that led you to that conclusion?

I'm not saying Biden isn't a fuckup. But we have absolutely no idea what's going on.

I would not have said in essence "If you use chemical weapons, we use chemical weapons". That's for sure.

How do you know that's the wrong thing to say? Based on what?

[Doctor Phibes]

I don’t think this war is going to change much based on anything Joe Biden says, to be honest. It could change if the US decides to actually do something concrete.

It’s not really about Biden.

A shocking concept, I know.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

I don’t think this war is going to change much based on anything Joe Biden says, to be honest. It could change if the US decides to actually do something concrete.

It’s not really about Biden.

A shocking concept, I know.

Well, we have a part to play in that Poots is especially pissed that we involve ourselves in European matters. But overall, yes, this isn't our show.

[Horace]

The appropriate response from Americans is to express support for Ukraine but not support for Anything That Could Risk WW3. No commenting on what Biden does or does not say because it's not about Biden or America. One could admonish Biden for saying anything, since it's not about what he says, but that would be commenting on what Biden says.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Horace said in The Resident Gaffes Again:

The appropriate response from Americans is to express support for Ukraine but not support for Anything That Could Risk WW3. No commenting on what Biden does or does not say because it's not about Biden or America. One could admonish Biden for saying anything, since it's not about what he says, but that would be commenting on what Biden says.

I just think playing Armchair Commander-In-Chief with respect to a war escalation is pretty much what "hubris" as a word was derived for.

Also, when weighing nuclear annihilation, chemical weapons, and World War III, fixating on Biden's gaffs seems to be missing the point.